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Offline Colonol Dekker

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
Daedalus Base



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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
Daedalus Base



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Hm, untill now I guess we did not have a name for that huge antimatter farm of the UEF in solar orbit...
But if this base is fated to end like it's namesake...I want to see the vig boom in a vid like sunglare^^
Edit: Wait...I think I mix this up with Ikarus...
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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
I can't remember hearing a solitary bugget about a  Solar Antimatter farm.

Was it a tech-room blab?

 

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
Techroom entries for all the UEF bombs and capship torpedoes. In short, Mercury has huge anti-matter factories that have been running for decades, and hence the UEF has masses of unused anti-matter for their boomite.
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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
I require more info :nod:

Daedalus Base is a station in solar orbit that is producing the majority of the antimatter used in UEF weaponry. It's a giant particle accelerator, heavily shielded against solar heat while at the same time using some of that energy to power itself. Capturing it intact is a major goal for the GTVA, however this task is nearly impossible due to the tightly restricted access and its well-secured location. The problem for any invader is that if your jump calculations are even a little off, you will find yourself outside Daedalus' shadow, which is immediately followed by catastrophic hull failures as the Sun burns away the Armor. And even if you do get the jump right, you're still facing a LOT of torpedo launchers primed and targeted at you.
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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
With realistic option I didn't mean wether it's possible. I meant that the GTVA high command would never do it because it's so unwise, as you put it.

But it does demonstrate the GTVA's logistics problem is flexible. There's a degree of slack inherent. If at some point the GTVA has need of another battlegroup or five for short term offensive action, or to smother a developing UEF counterthrust, the forces can be committed long enough to accomplish the task and then sent back to their normal postings.

If at any point the UEF starts to win or sets up a defense available GTVA forces can't crack, then the GTVA could commit to a short-term deployment of a large portion of available fleet assets to break them. From the GTVA's point of view, there's no way out and no win condition for the UEF. They can afford to take the strangulation strategy because the ability to crush their enemies with a hammerblow is still waiting up their sleeve.
While I agree with you, that they can send a few more ships or even battlegroups, they can't afford to send too many ships. Granted, I didn't think about the "stamina" of the GTVA ships before, but the other problems still remain.
The need to keep a strong enough force to counter a Shivan attack, the need to make the people feel safe, the need to keep the fleet mobile and ready instead of putting them all behind a single bottleneck.
And there is the matter of fighting morale and loyality. The current Sol forces were carefully selected. The more you send in, the bigger the risk of getting something like what happened with the 14th BG again.

 

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
Daedalus Base is a station in solar orbit that is producing the majority of the antimatter used in UEF weaponry. It's a giant particle accelerator, heavily shielded against solar heat while at the same time using some of that energy to power itself. Capturing it intact is a major goal for the GTVA, however this task is nearly impossible due to the tightly restricted access and its well-secured location. The problem for any invader is that if your jump calculations are even a little off, you will find yourself outside Daedalus' shadow, which is immediately followed by catastrophic hull failures as the Sun burns away the Armor. And even if you do get the jump right, you're still facing a LOT of torpedo launchers primed and targeted at you.

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That reminds me so much of that one missin in Homeworld 1.

 

Offline NGTM-1R

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
While I agree with you, that they can send a few more ships or even battlegroups, they can't afford to send too many ships. Granted, I didn't think about the "stamina" of the GTVA ships before, but the other problems still remain.

Oh, I won't pretend it's not a balancing act, but it does set forth clearly that the GTVA has options beyond what's currently in Sol and is likely to exercise them if things go badly. There are risks to it, but there is also a point where the risk of losing the fight for Sol is more of a problem than a hypothetical Shivan attack.
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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
Last time I checked, the Second Shivan Incursion didn't begin with 80 juggernaughts, but with a mere couple of rakshasa and a few wings of fighters. For a good while the GTVA didn't fight anything larger than the first Ravana. The GTVA probably bets on that delay to be able to either hold the line or evacuate the systems until reinforcements arrive. 2-3 corvettes per system is probably enough, with a destroyer at, at most, one inter-system jump away.
Laporte mentions in Post Meridian that the Tevs have two dozen Hecates. That's enough to put a destroyer in every known GTVA system save three, even without the help of the Orion/Titan/Raynor classes or the entire Vasudan armada.

As for the GTVA's strategy, I think Steele has a better grasp on the situation that even we do. If the Imperiuse has been tucked away in the Kuiper Belt since Darkest Hour--and it's reasonable to assume it has been, since you're up against its fighter wings in the very next mission--then I have to wonder why he kept it hidden, rather than shock-jumping the Eris or Toutatis during one of their sorties to buy time for the Wargods. The only thing I can come up with is that Steele is fully aware of Byrne's UESD Nemesis secret project, and that he wanted the Imperiuse to be a secret trump card, and only exposed it because he had no other option to save the Carthage.

I would say push while the UEF is still reeling. The sooner 2nd Fleet Mars and 3rd Fleet Jupiter are broken, the sooner the GTVA can actually focus on Earth. Assuming, of course, it doesn't push Laporte over the edge...

 

Offline -Norbert-

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The Imperieus was badly damaged (which made the UEF believeit would be pulled back into GTVA space) and without the repair capabilities of Delta Serpentis it probably wasn't finished, when the Toutatis made it's interventions.

 

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
Last time I checked, the Second Shivan Incursion didn't begin with 80 juggernaughts, but with a mere couple of rakshasa and a few wings of fighters. For a good while the GTVA didn't fight anything larger than the first Ravana. The GTVA probably bets on that delay to be able to either hold the line or evacuate the systems until reinforcements arrive. 2-3 corvettes per system is probably enough, with a destroyer at, at most, one inter-system jump away.

Especially since the New Generation 'vettes are made for shockjumping and one-shotting anything up to a Demon/Ravana.
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I came to believe that Steele ordered the "Carthage Clan" to put it's lives on the line, so the UEF would send assets after them.
Maybe he even hoped that it would be the Toutatis herself and the Imperieus lied in wait untill the Feds rose to his bait, what they did in form of the Wargods.
Since the Solaris-ships are not deployed that easily, the Wargods...well...
Steele took his queen out of the game to capture...let's say...three bishops?
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Offline Scotty

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
Ha, wasn't even a Queen.  That'd be the Imperiouse or Serkr Group, methinks.  The Carthage would be some other power piece, yes, but not the Queen.

 

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
You're forgetting that Serkr was engaged with the big T while Delande Est was happening.

 

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Then, it is lost. Or heavily damaged.
Neither is shown in the ending movie.
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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
Then, it is lost. Or heavily damaged.
Neither is shown in the ending movie.

Part of Serkr is shown with the Imperiuse in the final cutscene.

I also doubt the BP team would kill one of the players' nemesis (Serkr) off screen.

On a sidenote, if Daedalus base is in close solar orbit how come they didn't receive the Indus' distress beacon? or did they just radio the Fedayeen and let the indus wait without telling them? I knew the UEF were full of cold bastards, TEV4LYFE
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Offline Jellyfish

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
Not Serkr, the Toutatis.

As for what the GTVA should do, what about continuing Elder assassination missions?
At worst, they'll despair and give up.
At best, they'll rage, forget tactics and charge... right into every beam weapon in Sol.
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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
You're forgetting that Serkr was engaged with the big T while Delande Est was happening.

Not forgetting.  I'm just saying that Carthage was hardly Steele's queen piece in theater.

 

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On a sidenote, if Daedalus base is in close solar orbit how come they didn't receive the Indus' distress beacon? or did they just radio the Fedayeen and let the indus wait without telling them? I knew the UEF were full of cold bastards, TEV4LYFE

Suns are big places :P
Big, noisy places at that. The Fedayeen have a few advantages that helped them find the Indus that noone else has.
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