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Offline crizza

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
THe Phoenicia and Vengance are supposed to be the two Hecates in the ending sequence.
And as Mat said, the node is fortified and the Agamemnon and her battlegroup are not be taken by suprise.
Given that point: Shouldn't AWACs be able to detect something coming out of subspace like a stealth fighter?
"Oh, there was a subspace rupture, but we detect no ship." - "Nah, nevermind, just a spontanus subspace opening."

 

Offline Crybertrance

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
Given that point: Shouldn't AWACs be able to detect something coming out of subspace like a stealth fighter?
"Oh, there was a subspace rupture, but we detect no ship." - "Nah, nevermind, just a spontanus subspace opening."

They probably do detect the subspace jump and they also probably know that they are dealing with stealth assets...But where did the fighter go after jumping in is anyone's guess.
<21:08:30>   Hartzaden fires a slammer at Cybertrance
<21:09:13>   Crybertrance pops flares, but wonders how Hartzaden acquired aspect lock on a stealth fighter... :\
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<21:14:07>   Crybertrance sends emergency "IM GETING MY ASS KICKED HERE!!!!eleventy NEED HELPZZZZ" to 3rd fleet command
<21:14:50>   Hartzaden jamms the transmission.
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Offline CT27

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
IIRC, the Meredian and Hood were forced out of Sol due to damage in part 1.  Was it said how long before they could come back?

 

Offline Buckshee Rounds

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
THe Phoenicia and Vengance are supposed to be the two Hecates in the ending sequence.
And as Mat said, the node is fortified and the Agamemnon and her battlegroup are not be taken by suprise.
Given that point: Shouldn't AWACs be able to detect something coming out of subspace like a stealth fighter?
"Oh, there was a subspace rupture, but we detect no ship." - "Nah, nevermind, just a spontanus subspace opening."

Fortified yes, but I'm sure the Feds could squeeze in a raid here and there, even if they end up being mere feints it would help to keep the Tevs on their toes and slow them down just that little bit more. The more assets they have defending and the less they have hammering the Fed's infrastructure the better.

I thought the Hood was still in-system. AFAIK it didn't lose its air wing like the Carthage did, it should be still be a fully effective carrier.

 

Offline Aesaar

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
The Hood's fine.  It countered the Eris during Delenda Est.

 

Offline FIZ

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Finding out a way to end the Paveway threat would seem wise for the GTVA.  That is one hell of a force multiplier.  Slammers are good too, but if Paveways were used like Trebuchet strikes...  crikey. 

Hmmm... now that I think about it, are Paveways even in a mission where you can't argue that enemy point defense screens aren't compromised by a Karuna or some other ECM capable ship?  Well played BP team, well played. 

 

Offline MatthTheGeek

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
The Hood's fine.  It countered the Eris during Delenda Est.
Uh what ? Last time I watched Icarus, the Eris was engaged with Serkr.
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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
The Hood's fine.  It countered the Eris during Delenda Est.
Uh what ? Last time I watched Icarus, the Eris was engaged with Serkr. + Hood?

 

Offline MatthTheGeek

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
Dude, there isn't even a single GTD Hecate reference in the mission file...
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Offline crizza

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
Who guarded Artemis Station?
Maybe thats where the Hoods was or at the node?
But we can agree the ship is still operational.

 

Offline Buckshee Rounds

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
Well one of the Tev destroyers must have provided fighter cover for Serkr so it was probably the Hood seeing as the others were all engaged. Not that it really matters anyway of course.

 

Offline SF-Junky

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
Fortified yes, but I'm sure the Feds could squeeze in a raid here and there, even if they end up being mere feints it would help to keep the Tevs on their toes and slow them down just that little bit more. The more assets they have defending and the less they have hammering the Fed's infrastructure the better.
Remember that pre-R1 video which included a Vexor-class destroyer engaging two Deimos-class corvettes at a jump node? The Vexor might have been replaced by the Solaris in the meantime, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything. Maybe we see some greater offensive against the node in Act IV or V.
« Last Edit: January 25, 2013, 07:24:14 am by SF-Junky »

 

Offline crizza

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The moment the Feds attack the node, Steele will most likely shock jump them.
The Capella-era assets can hold Artemis and so on, while the Atreus, Serkr and the Imperieuse are free to do their dirty work.
Not to mention the Tevs jumping whole squadrons through the node.
Just imagine several dozen of Ares or Herc2s jumping in and unleashing a Treb/maxim strike  :nod:

 

Offline Aesaar

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The Hood's fine.  It countered the Eris during Delenda Est.
Uh what ? Last time I watched Icarus, the Eris was engaged with Serkr.

Pawns on a Board of Bone's briefing says the Hood would be countered by the Eris at Neptune.  I'd give you the exact quote, but I'm on the wrong computer ATM.

EDIT: Nvm.  Delenda Est briefing states that the Hood was under repairs at the time, but not that it had left Sol.  No guarantee it was at Neptune, but it's definitely still in Sol, given that it appears in Sunglare.

Who guarded Artemis Station?
Maybe thats where the Hoods was or at the node?
But we can agree the ship is still operational.
Atreus was at Artemis Station, engaged by the Toutatis.
« Last Edit: January 25, 2013, 03:52:11 pm by Aesaar »

 
Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
Finding out a way to end the Paveway threat would seem wise for the GTVA.  That is one hell of a force multiplier.  Slammers are good too, but if Paveways were used like Trebuchet strikes...  crikey. 

Hmmm... now that I think about it, are Paveways even in a mission where you can't argue that enemy point defense screens aren't compromised by a Karuna or some other ECM capable ship?  Well played BP team, well played.

The Plunder, for one. You hit the Siren's main beams with Paveways well before it even gets within 7 clicks of either Karuna. And the Karunas were focusing all of their ECM on blanket long-range comms jamming.

Even if that were an issue, you've still got the Grimmler (works fairly well in this role) and the Archer.

The Paveway's bigger weakness is how slow it is--it takes so long to reach its target and is rather lacking in maneuverability, so it can miss even in normal usage (and it can be evaded by capships that rotate to 'hide' the sensitive turret/subsystem). Also, Trebuchet outranges the Paveway considerably, so it's not all free shots.
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Offline crizza

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
I thought the Shrike was more frightening than the Paveway...

 

Offline MatthTheGeek

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
I swear only by the Grimler. Completely replaced Slammer, Paveway and Shrike in my book.
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Offline Buckshee Rounds

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
The moment the Feds attack the node, Steele will most likely shock jump them.
The Capella-era assets can hold Artemis and so on, while the Atreus, Serkr and the Imperieuse are free to do their dirty work.
Not to mention the Tevs jumping whole squadrons through the node.
Just imagine several dozen of Ares or Herc2s jumping in and unleashing a Treb/maxim strike  :nod:

Shock-jumping is no detterent to fighters and bombers. Tev defences are all geared towards anti-cap, a few raids on the node would help to keep the pressure on and put them on the backfoot. So long as they aren't hitting Fed stations then the Feds can at least consolidate what's left of their shattered infrastructure.

I'm sure it'd be too costly to keep 100% AWACS coverage on the node 24/7, stealth fighters could make a bit of difference.

 

Offline crizza

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
That strategy is flawed as was mine with shock jumping.
Keeping the pressure up is fine, but given that in every mission of Tenebra there was an AWACs, well, they failed to detect the Stealthfighters, but every raid on the node will cost them strikecraft and the UEF can't afford that.
But I guess we'll see the fortification of the node in one of the next acts and we all saw how heavily Neptune was defended.

 

Offline Drogoth

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Based on the ending of Act 3, the Fedayeen may no longer be a reliable UEF asset, since they seem suspicious of the Vishnan influenced council now. They certainly didn't  hand over Laporte, claiming she died. Laporte is too filled with rage to do anything but fight tevs in this war, which is why she's based on the Toutatis now. The Fedayeen is a bit more logical. If they decide to regard the Vishnans as a threat, they may find the Tevs are more amendable to whatever plan they have in the works.

What are they going to do when the council asks for Laporte's body?
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