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Offline Ashrak

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the CD's and DVD's selling buisness model is a relic and should be let die. but record companies still want money, with the invention of the internet however artist can go directly to the population without the interference of record lables.

they are starting to do it, soon record companys will go broke.
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the CD's and DVD's selling buisness model is a relic and should be let die.
Oi, some of us still very much like having physical media collections. :p

 

Offline S-99

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the CD's and DVD's selling buisness model is a relic and should be let die.
Watching movies at home will not be something that will die. Music cd alternatives however, are pretty damn popular and get used a lot. Music cd's probably will die.
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the DVD's selling buisness model is a relic and should be let die.

Watching movies at home will not be something that will die.

I don't see how these quotes are related.
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the DVD's selling buisness model is a relic and should be let die.

Watching movies at home will not be something that will die.

I don't see how these quotes are related.
I will say then what do you think dvd's are most famously used for in the entertainment industry (that was the cd and dvd selling business btw)? The dvd selling business is mainly about selling movies. The cd selling business is mainly about selling music.

Most people think about this in the "elimination of a medium type" thought process when they think about changing business models for the aging relic and practices of the entertainment industry. This can be said of music cd's. Mp3's and other audio formats and the players for them are very popular; cd's will have no problem falling out of the way forever for music. Dvd's and bluray (i'm including bluray since it's also a movie medium) are different however. People still like to take movies home with them for owning and renting. Since dvd's and blurays are great for holding movies, i don't see them getting eliminated.

And dvd's movies may be considered an aging relic in itself just because it's an older movie format. But, many don't share that view. And movies on dvd are still made for the people who like to take their movies home just like bluray.

If we were to eliminate a movie medium such as dvd for movies, we'd be left with bluray of course. But, i took it a step further thinking about this in the way of elmination of a music medium in favor of another, and elimination of a move medium in favor of another. The other medium for movies and video entertainment in general would be some form of streaming like netflix or something else with a lot of drm. Since people still like to bring movies home, that's why i said what i said earlier.
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you seem to be implying that the only way one can possibly watch a visual media within the home is via a DVD.
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and you seem to be implying that NOBODY does anymore.  i don't want physical media to go away either.  i will never pay for quality-raped downloaded music.  video, maybe but doubtful.
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Nuke, I completely agree with your points about cloud computing, perhaps it is the Northern climate? I personally think the whole cloud thing is a rather bad idea and cannot understand how companies look forward to seeing it. But not everybody does the stuff I do.

It really isn't that different from the old terminal system (2002 btw) that was used in the University. I really hated that system  from the bottom of my heart - it never allowed doing any real work. Not that surprisingly, the university has grown out of it (happened after 2006) and provides everyone with a real PC. What I recall from my user "experience", with a centralized server there is always annoying amount of lag (even in the text interface FFS), opening MATLAB took forever (it does so also on PC, but that's even more forever with the terminal based system). The comment about running it on "peak efficiency" is well placed, "peak efficiency" being defined by the service provider and not the actual user.

One of my colleagues recently proposed a cloud based server that would run optical design optimization. Needless to say, I shot the idea down immediately before it had a better chance of taking off, some idiot in the middle management probably would have bought it. Seriously, cloud server doing heavy computing is the last thing I want to see, providing little additional computing aid but increasing the upkeep costs exponentially. This sort of center actually used to be there, but when there are no investments on it, the hardware quickly becomes outdated and still sucks a huge amount of upkeep money. And it turned out that a single laptop bought two years later provided the same computing power than a cluster of sixteen older ones. Very useful indeed... I think his reason for this was that running the optimization on a server would allow him to use his computer to do something else. But the problem is, he really should be the maestro who conducting the optimization and not the other way around. The solution was found by assigning a lower priority to the optimizing program, restoring normal computer operation but causing no perceivable slowdown on the optimization - that's human interruption speed for you.

Floating licenses are an invention straight from hell - at least from my point of view. I just don't get what's the ****ing point when you can have a small and handy USB dongle providing you a localized license that is available at any place, any time. In my current working place there are CAD software and MATLAB floating licences now, and it's always the same thing: some *********er is just holding that last license by keeping the programs open (cause he might need it later) and you need to run through every fricking office in the building to ask if any person suspected using it is using it or is REALLY using it (try saying that when you're drunk!). Or that corporate network is down (again). Or there is a local disturbance in the network traffic on your corridor and user support is looking into it - apparently from completely different location and they are doing it through network... Come to think of it, cloud based server systems are just another form of subsidizing, you don't actually own the production tools any more. It is really equivalent to trying to sell a centralized CNC machine center to several CNC machine shops and expect them to transfer all their business on that one center.

What it comes to intellectual property, let's say I'm not surprised by the decision to shut down MegaUpload. However, I really don't see this helping against piracy, what happens next is a huge surge of USB hard disks and there you have it starting all again, but this time it becomes even harder to tackle and impossible to detect. And who wants to pay for an expensive net connection that is still slower than the USB hard drive if the sole reason for that fast connection is piracy? I'd expect to see profit warnings from HDD manufacturers as well, they are quite dependent on piracy to sell their biggest HDDs.

Still related to this, I have actually been thinking of running photography business (not my main job), and after thinking a little bit about the image hosting services, I would never put full resolution images there. Ever. For preview photos (30 % of original size, or even less) that could be feasible, but not with the originals. It was also interesting to think if I wanted to sell digital photographs, but I quickly came to the conclusion that if I start this business, I'll be restricted on paper reproductions only.
« Last Edit: January 26, 2012, 06:55:16 pm by Mika »
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Offline S-99

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you seem to be implying that the only way one can possibly watch a visual media within the home is via a DVD.
No i don't actually. I modified my post just a smidge of time after to help better show people what i was getting at. Go read it.
« Last Edit: January 26, 2012, 06:58:30 pm by S-99 »
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Offline Thaeris

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the CD's and DVD's selling buisness model is a relic and should be let die.
Oi, some of us still very much like having physical media collections. :p

And how! good Sir,

I just got two albums in the mail, and am not at all displeased, either.
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the CD's and DVD's selling buisness model is a relic and should be let die.
Oi, some of us still very much like having physical media collections. :p

problem with hard copy is its becoming less hard. if you look at games, there are very few titles that can be called standalone. you cant just buy a game install it and run it without some licensing management working over the net. id hate to see that kind of licensing method applied to music and movies. i do like to buy hard copy, but not if that isnt going to work without something else like an internet connection so it can phone home and see if your license is autorized. then whats the point, you could have gotten it over the net and having a copy becomes irrelevant.

this is the kinda thing that will ultimately destroy hard copy. of course they wont disappear. i can name at least a dozen bands that still release on vinyl. i dont think cds will disappear entirely. they might get replaced by a new format. same goes with dvds. really the only way those will disapear is if the mpaa/riaa get their way and you have to get permission off the internet to watch a movie or play a cd.
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the only way that the MPAA can stop piracy is with a good streaming service, stream for free with interspersed commercials at low quality, high quality and no commercials with a $30/mo subscription. complete access to the whole collection, none of that 'only the most recent 3 episodes' bull****.

path of least resistance.
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if you look at games, there are very few titles that can be called standalone. you cant just buy a game install it and run it without some licensing management working over the net.
While a lot of high-profile games do that, plenty of the ones that are actually good (Bohemia Interactive games are an excellent example, most indie titles also don't need a connection) don't introduce anything so stupid. I think that those games will keep physical copies alive. Though they might be reserved for "connoisseurs", people who value having a paperback manual, a game DVD (or several) and maybe some additional material like maps or other "feelies". Most high-profile series today are aimed at casual gamers and consoles, these are most likely to end up in digital distribution only.

 

Offline Mikes

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the CD's and DVD's selling buisness model is a relic and should be let die.
Oi, some of us still very much like having physical media collections. :p

Nothing is stopping you from putting your own music on CDs for your own collection yourself...  well, nothing except for idiotic DRM.

and you seem to be implying that NOBODY does anymore.  i don't want physical media to go away either.  i will never pay for quality-raped downloaded music.  video, maybe but doubtful.

Music labels are ra*ing the audio quality of our music - both downloaded AND CDs.

First, there is no reason to not offer high quality or  lossless audio recordings. No reason other than an idiot music industry scared of the internet anyways.

Second... Music quality in general took a nosedive these years... with every other CD having audio clipping issues from hell because the same idiot labels that are responsible for all the other bulls*** being mentioned here... have decided that everyone wants CDs with as much base loudness as possible and to hell with audio quality.

So yeah please... let them die so some sanity *and*  quality can return to the music business.

I'm f***** tired of buying a new CD just to find my favorite bands music mutilated with audio clipping to a point where a 3000$ audio system starts to sound like a crappy IPOD.

P.S. read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war if you wonder what I am talking about.

And for reference, here's just one case of the CD definitely sucking while a downloadable alternative was of superior quality (from aboves link):
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Loud mastering practices caught media attention in 2008 with the release of Metallica's Death Magnetic album. The CD version of the recording has a high average loudness that pushes peaks beyond the point of digital clipping, resulting in distortion. These findings were reported by customers and music industry professionals. These findings were later covered in multiple international publications, including Rolling Stone,[2] The Wall Street Journal,[8] BBC Radio,[9] Wired,[10] and The Guardian.[11] Ted Jensen, a mastering engineer involved in the Death Magnetic recordings, subsequently criticized the approach employed during the production process.[12] A version of the release without dynamic range compression was included in the downloadable content for Guitar Hero III.[13]


Go Go record industries ruining every lasting recording of our music forever.
(While they are not busy trying to ruin the Internet.)
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the CD's and DVD's selling buisness model is a relic and should be let die.
Oi, some of us still very much like having physical media collections. :p

Nothing is stopping you from putting your own music on CDs for your own collection yourself...  well, nothing except for idiotic DRM.
There's a big difference from doing your own burn on a blank disk, and having a professionally-pressed CD or DVD, complete with album/cover art and the whole works.  That's especially true if you're talking about a special-edition sort of release, with all of the cool bells and whistles.  I have some really sweet DVD sets on my shelves, and I'd like to keep collecting more of them.

 

Offline Klaustrophobia

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that's not an issue of physical media, it's just **** producing.  having the same thing through itunes or whatever would just get you the bad production AND a crap bitrate.  sure, they COULD offer lossless downloads, but i've yet to see one except for live recordings released by tapers.  even if they did offer lossless downloads, i would still want to buy physical because i just like having the cd instead of a digital file that's only on my computer and ipod.
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Offline Nuke

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if an unknown metal band from the ass end of nowhere can afford to have production quality cds and even vinyl pressed, im sure anyone can. all without needing a big name label (and many have their own). im sure any band can pull it off. eliminating the middle man (the music industry) will give artists more resources and more freedom to make the music and the recordings they want to make. music industry wants to make money, not anything original or creative. so ditching the industry will result in better music. and you could even say the same thing about film too.
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Offline Mika

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What it comes to music and especially loudness, consumers decided that. I personally don't like loudness being applied to all CDs, leaving the intended quiet bits away. But on the other hand, I understand listening to it while driving. It is weird, but loudness tends to sound better in a car. But generally I agree, music industry makes it sound rather boring and processed.

Same stuff is going on with photography, it's called HDR imaging, and that tends to kill the naturally dark areas of photos, in my opinion that is. Some people genuinely seem to like it. But I'm not the one who decides about tastes, that's a personal thing.

And don't get me even started about books!
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Offline Mikes

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the CD's and DVD's selling buisness model is a relic and should be let die.
Oi, some of us still very much like having physical media collections. :p

Nothing is stopping you from putting your own music on CDs for your own collection yourself...  well, nothing except for idiotic DRM.
There's a big difference from doing your own burn on a blank disk, and having a professionally-pressed CD or DVD, complete with album/cover art and the whole works.

Did the age of cheap (below 100 bucks) ink jet printers (with many models that can also print those printable CDs/DVDs) pass you up or what? ;)


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Offline Nuke

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professional production cds arent just a cdr with a silkscreen on top. cdrs are burned chimically (the reflective material is designed to literally burn, when the right wavelength and intensity of light from the burning laser hits it), however production cdrs are done differently (the pits are stamped into the reflective material, and this is coated with plastic on both sides and then silkscreened), resulting in a higher quality, more durable media. as for inserts and artwork, the printing on production inserts are superior to what an inkjet can produce in both appearance and durability. having a collection of home made cds with home made lables and home made booklets are not what collectors want. i prefer to keep my collection on my hard drive though, i really dont like having a bunch of discs that i dont need anymore (because i ripped them all to flac) sitting on a shelf collecting dust. but the collector wants the package as the artist intended, and not some lame diy knockoff.
« Last Edit: January 28, 2012, 06:38:19 am by Nuke »
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