[Mikes]

professional production cds arent just a cdr with a silkscreen on top. cdrs are burned chimically (the reflective material is designed to literally burn, when the right wavelength and intensity of light from the burning laser hits it), however production cdrs are done differently (the pits are stamped into the reflective material, and this is coated with plastic on both sides and then silkscreened), resulting in a higher quality, more durable media.

... I just don't see the "benefit" of slightly prettier/more durable CDs/DVDs comparing to the the drawbacks of a music industry that quite literally runs amok.

Just my opinion.

What it comes to music and especially loudness, consumers decided that. I personally don't like loudness being applied to all CDs, leaving the intended quiet bits away. But on the other hand, I understand listening to it while driving. It is weird, but loudness tends to sound better in a car. But generally I agree, music industry makes it sound rather boring and processed.

It's the physical limitation of the CD and an industry that can't imagine doing anything else than selling CDs and is afraid of offering any alternatives with higher quality.

Do you really think everyone would buy crappy audio clipped CDs if a high quality non audio clipped version was available on the market?
How is it the consumers decision if they are not even given a choice?

[Nuke]

i agree that the music industry has got to go, but i dont think that will make cd production go away. it will just take it out of the hands of the mega-corporation and put it into the hands of the artist.

[Mikes]

i agree that the music industry has got to go, but i dont think that will make cd production go away. it will just take it out of the hands of the mega-corporation and put it into the hands of the artist.

That's how I see it...  easy access to online distribution for anyone who wants... and the option to contract physical media production for successful artists that could turn a profit by selling physical media.

[Mongoose]

Nuke gets the idea.  And honestly, I'm talking far more about DVDs than CDs, as I'm not a big music guy.

[NGTM-1R]

if a high quality non audio clipped version was available on the market?

Do you honest believe that such things never were available? They were once, but the industry discovered that people would buy them at lesser quality so they made them at lesser quality.

[Nuke]

this is the kind of corner cutting that happens when profits are more important than creativity or quality.

[NGTM-1R]

Oh, there are still extremely high quality recordings available, but only for the people who cared enough to complain. Opera recordings, for example.

[Klaustrophobia]

and a few "**** the industry" type bands.  Porcupine Tree, for example.

[Nuke]

this thread is starting to turn into one big circlejerk.

[LordMelvin]

this thread is starting to turn into one big circlejerk.

Starting?

[yuezhi]

back on topic:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16787486

three US law enforcement stickers and a closing date for all that precious data. we're screwed!

[Aardwolf]

this thread is starting to turn into one big circlejerk.

I prefer "echo chamber". And if congress is already doing it, why can't we?

[Mikes]

I'm just waiting for someone to come out of the woodwork and sue "because the FBI deleted the only copy of 5 years woth of work done for their PHD..."  (or something similar.)
 
...  to properly conclude this mess. lol.

[Mongoose]

I'd honestly love for that to happen.  They wouldn't really have a proper case, but it'd seem fitting.

[S-99]

Megaupload i'm pretty sure has something in their end user license agreement that says "if we lose your data, we're not liable" (in case megaupload for some reason isn't able to pay for the servers their leasing). Megaupload is great at paying their bills, but obviously right now they're not. I'm not saying that the end user license agreement of your average popular cyber locker is going to hold up in court. I'm saying that possible loss of data is a known risk of using any cyber locker service. Anyone who thinks other wise isn't thinking about the leased server part too much.

Saying that the fbi deleted data wouldn't fly either unless they actually did. Suing because the fbi put your data in a situation to be deleted would be more accurate. But, because of the known possible risk of using cyber lockers, the suit may go no where. And lawyers will be big time ass holes in court about this if someone were smart or dumb enough to sue over (i'm thinking dumb enough, doesn't seem like the best thing to sue over unless there was a guarantee of data safety which there usually isn't with cyber locker services just because of the way they do business which lets them have storage capacity on hand for people to use). The way megaupload does business to have server storage capacity on hand for free public use is why they don't have a guarantee of data safety in their end user license agreement.

[Klaustrophobia]

i agree there's no guarantee of safety and the user is stupid for not having backups, etc.  but, the fact remains that the FBI/whatever agency DID cause the data to be lost by abruptly taking down the site and freezing their assets, making the hosters go unpaid.  if they had not done this, users would be able to retrieve their legitimate files. 

[Bobboau]

why hasn't the FBI seized those hard drives as evidence?

[Nuke]

because those drives were owned by a 3rd party. megaupload rented a lot of server space. instead of inconveniencing the hosting company the fbi only took a copy of the data on those drives. of course with megaupload's assets being frozen they can no longer pay their bills with the hosting companies, and they will likely reallocate that space to paying customers at the first opportunity. im sure that equipment directly owned by megaupload was seized as evidence.

[Aardwolf]

Megaupload i'm pretty sure has something in their end user license agreement that says "if we lose your data, we're not liable"

lolno

Don't sue megaupload, sue the jerks who destroyed the data.

[S-99]

Megaupload i'm pretty sure has something in their end user license agreement that says "if we lose your data, we're not liable"

lolno

Don't sue megaupload, sue the jerks who destroyed the data.

Great way to take out of context. My post had nothing to do with suing megaupload for all of the data that's about to go kaput. Someone didn't read the whole post. And yes, megaupload is not liable if it loses your data (go check up on that).