[Zeronet]

Look again.

[Kellan]

Okay, now it makes sense, and I look stupid.

Clearly the best way to soften water is to smack it down with the HLPBB HOJ, anyway. No wonder they all laughed.

[Styxx]

There IS a Punisher movie... The only problem is that it's crap. Dolph Ludgreen (or whatever) and all that...

[Levyathan]

Originally posted by sandwich
Man, if they made 7, 8 and 9 true to the Thrawn trilogy, it would easily have the potential to surpass not only 4-6 but LOTR as well!

What?! Are you out of your mind? That's just not possible, surpass LOTR (at least the books) is not possible!

And if I happen to read that Thrwan thing someday, I might even come up with some arguments about why I think it's worse.

[Kellan]

Originally posted by Styxx
There IS a Punisher movie... The only problem is that it's crap. Dolph Ludgreen (or whatever) and all that...

So that comic might actually have lost value...

[Razor]

I didn't see any of them!

[Styxx]

Originally posted by Kellan
So that comic might actually have lost value...

Hehe, true, true...

[wEvil]

Originally posted by Kellan
That's to be expected.

wEvil, I agree with you that AOTC was just an excuse for a whole bucketload of effects. I seem to be the only one of the friends I went to see it with who thinks the Yoda fight was laughable, too.

Maybe I've been spoiled by the books...the Thrawn trilogy really is so much better than anything else in the Star Wars universe.

===

As for style over substance, I agree that every film recently has suffered from that, really (things like Memento being the exception). However, if one can pull off a lot of style or have a bit of substance that's good.

Thrawn is The Man!  

I haven't seen momento...should do at some point.  And Star Wars is no match for the visual effects in Final Fantasy, THAT is realism.

[Grey Wolf]

Isn't the Thrawn trilogy the ones with the rogue Jedi clone and the plots to capture Leia? Good books.

BTW, my SW Rankings are:
Ep. IV (duh)
Ep. V
Ep. II
Ep. VI
I don't recognize any other Star Wars movie as legit.

[Zeronet]

Could of gained value, do to the comic being better than the film and thus more worthy.

[Sandwich]

Originally posted by Levyathan


What?! Are you out of your mind? That's just not possible, surpass LOTR (at least the books) is not possible!

And if I happen to read that Thrwan thing someday, I might even come up with some arguments about why I think it's worse.

I have:
- read LOTR numerous times
- seen the movie numerous times
- read the Thrawn trilogy numerous times

You have:
- read LOTR (numerous times?)
- seen LOTR (numerous times?)
- not read the Thrawn trilogy

Conclusion: Stating that you don't like cheesecake as much as apple pie is an act of idiocy if you have never tasted cheesecake.

Get the picture? Good - now go read those books.

[Stealth]

The special effects though, were in no way as good as Spider-Man's - they looked too 'fake' as I say, and the Yoda fight really was dumb-looking. Anakin fighting Dooku for about 0.389 seconds was better.

Oh, and Unkown Target - in what way was Spider-Man dumb? It was pretty faithful to the comic-book rendition, really considering the mangling these things usually go through. [/B]

Special effects were a totally different category between spiderman and star wars... the effects were different!  Star wars had blaster and lightsaber and ship effects, while spiderman had 'web' and 'flying' effects... they were both good!

Spiderman was pretty true to the book, except that the web that came out of his wrists was made organic, while in the book he had a special cartridge he had to keep putting in!!!?
remember?  they ruined the whole 'true to the comic book' by doing that.
otherwise it was awesome!

What?! Are you out of your mind? That's just not possible, surpass LOTR (at least the books) is not possible!

Anything's possible...
Star Wars is pretty close to LOTR as it is

The special effects though, were in no way as good as Spider-Man's - they looked too 'fake' as I say, and the Yoda fight really was dumb-looking. Anakin fighting Dooku for about 0.389 seconds was better.

Just because you're defending spiderman doesn't mean you've got to talk lies about Star Wars... anyone who watches it can see how awesome the special effects are.  Sound and effects are two things NO ONE can say about Star Wars!!!
Yoda fight scene was supposed to be comical... the whole movie (if you noticed) had much more jokes than any of the other Star Wars movies!

Uh, yeah Spiderman himself looks fake to a large degree, less so with Yoda who looks cool also SW gets extra marks just for being SW .

lol, i agree about the 'extra marks' thing

Spiderman looked good in the costume that he designed halfway through the movie, but don't tell me he didn't look cheesy in that costume he wore the first half!!! (with the gloves and all) (the one he wrestled in)

Before having seen the movie I would've agreed - Spider-Man does look fake in the trailers. However, in the film itself he seemed a lot more 'real' - I can't explain it, except perhaps by saying that I only ever saw the trailers on TV. Still, the 'making of' documentary showed that it was actually a costume, not a CG thing. The bits that were CG were the 'impossible' stunts.

I'm guessing that in the Teaser, (the one with the two towers and the people that rob the bank) spiderman was 100% CG... no acting... it sure looked that way!  I thought it was good animation, but i hoped there would be more acting.

in the real movie there was a lot more acting...  hardly anything 'looked' CG.  maybe in the 'making of' they said that it was an actual costume, but only in some parts, and definately not in the Teaser

[Stealth]

Originally posted by sandwich


I have:
- read LOTR numerous times
- seen the movie numerous times
- read the Thrawn trilogy numerous times

You have:
- read LOTR (numerous times?)
- seen LOTR (numerous times?)
- not read the Thrawn trilogy

I have:
- read LOTR in 6th grade (the entire trilogy)
- seen the movie 4 times
- read LOTR about 6 months ago (entire trilogy and silmerilian)
- read about 20 Star Wars books (out of like 200!) (including Thrawn trilogy)

Thrawn remains my favorite Star Wars character...
after Thrawn my favorite is Kuelller...
Kueller wears a mask to hide that he's so young, he's only a young teenager.  He was involved with Brakiss (Jedi Knight who turned to the dark side after training under Master Luke Skywalker) the only way Master Luke Skywalker can defeat Kueller is bringing those worm-like things (can't remember their name, don't want to look it up) that create a bubble in the force... then Leia shoots him (he doesn't have the force to help him block with his lightsaber)

just had to say that... now i've pretty much summarized at least one book lol

[Kellan]

Originally posted by Stealth
Just because you're defending spiderman doesn't mean you've got to talk lies about Star Wars... anyone who watches it can see how awesome the special effects are.  Sound and effects are two things NO ONE can say about Star Wars!!!
Yoda fight scene was supposed to be comical... the whole movie (if you noticed) had much more jokes than any of the other Star Wars movies!

Okay, I agree that the sound on SW movies is unsurpassed. However, my opinion on the special effects is just that - my opinion. It's not necessarily lies...I just preferred the look of the Spider-Man effects.

Spiderman looked good in the costume that he designed halfway through the movie, but don't tell me he didn't look cheesy in that costume he wore the first half!!! (with the gloves and all) (the one he wrestled in)

That was meant to be comical. And it was.

I'm guessing that in the Teaser, (the one with the two towers and the people that rob the bank) spiderman was 100% CG... no acting... it sure looked that way!  I thought it was good animation, but i hoped there would be more acting.

in the real movie there was a lot more acting...  hardly anything 'looked' CG.  maybe in the 'making of' they said that it was an actual costume, but only in some parts, and definately not in the Teaser [/B]

Oh, I didn't say it wasn't CG in the teaser. In that, it certainly looked very much more CG than in the actual movie.

EDIT: Quoting madness.

[beatspete]

People always slag of the acting in starwars...
they are jedi, they control their emotions - of course their going to be a bit dull.

origionally posted by Stealth
Special effects were a totally different category between spiderman and star wars...

Star wars has to create virtually a new universe, all spiderman has to make is someone swinging about a few skyscrapers.

[WMCoolmon]

Originally posted by beatspete
People always slag of the acting in starwars...
they are jedi, they control their emotions - of course their going to be a bit dull.

Just listen to Anakin; in several scenes he sounds like he got no sleep at all, or he was doing "deathsticks", not really controlling his emotions. He sounds like he's trying to whine, but he doesn't have the energy to.
On the other hand, I don't see how anyone sees Obi-Wan's acting as wooden, or Palpatine's...or Mace Windu's, or Qui-Gon's, or Dooku's, or Fett's...

Personally, I think that the missing-sleep-because-of-not-seeing-Padme was taken a little too far. And that's where the critics get all their wooden acting complaints.

In Episode 1..."Are you angel?"

Need I say more?

[Stealth]

I agree with everything you said in your last post Kellan

EDIT:

There's no point making a new thread of this... i'll use this one...
exactly what is HLP about?  Just Freespace 1/2?  or does it include Freelancer and Independent War (i don't know anything about these two games) exactly what are they?

[Stealth]

Originally posted by WMCoolmon
In Episode 1..."Are you angel?"

Need I say more?

That part actually made me embarassed!!! I don't know why, but that has got to be the key factor to why episode 1 sucked so bad!

[Ace]

Well AoTC was what I expected, I enjoyed it that's all I have to say. (hrmm this was my arguement with Jennings too on the movie )

In Episode 1..."Are you angel?" Despite how much that made me cringe it's not as bad as A.I.: "Blue fairy, make me real!" :shudder:

[Galemp]

Originally posted by WMCoolmon


In Episode 1..."Are you an angel?"

Need I say more?

Maybe...

Spider-man: Aunt Mae! Aunt Mae! Is that an angel?


How cliche' can you get.