[-Norbert-]

I'm going to laugh so hard, if it turns out that the containers in the shape of "Bosch" are just the mission designer messing with people who load the mission up in FRED.

[AtomicClucker]

I'm going to laugh so hard, if it turns out that the containers in the shape of "Bosch" are just the mission designer messing with people who load the mission up in FRED.

Careful, you're going to give Darius and Battuta potentially dangerous ideas...

[An4ximandros]

We are Carl, resistance is futile!


*Ahem*

I do believe we should go back to the Vasudans now.
I can personally see the whole gate shcism as a cultural thing since, to them, Vasuda is still inhabited by their people, so they don't understand the human obsession with trying to go back to their womb.
And Petrarch saying they were just pissy because they couldn't go back to it was certainly a low blow.

[Phantom Hoover]

I was a bit dubious of how Petrarch went from being the measured, long-winded droner he is in FS2 to slinging insults at the Vasudans.

[General Battuta]

He was stressed and mad.

[SypheDMar]

Did you remember Congress and Obama in 2011 during the gridlock?

I was a bit dubious of how Petrarch went from being the measured, long-winded droner he is in FS2 to slinging insults at the Vasudans.

[CT27]

Speaking of the Vasudans, what exactly was the Medjai again?  Is it the Emperor's personal fleet or something?

[MatthTheGeek]

While Vasudan contractors continued to build warships for the Terrans, and Vasudan engineers and tacticians worked closely with Terran friends on the design of a new generation of warships and weapons to counter the Shivan threat, the GTVA military began to segregate. Khonsu II reinstated the Medjai, a close-knit band of military leaders and admirals who reported directly to him. The Medjai began an ambitious restructuring of the Vasudan military in order to create a totally self-sufficient and powerful force capable of power projection, sustained counter-insurgency operations, and node denial.

From BP Fiction : The Rift.

[CT27]

So it's kind of like the Vasudan version of the U.S. Joint Chiefs?

[Aesaar]

As I understand it, it's like a combination of that and the Waffen-SS, just without the mass murder and other assorted war crimes.

[SaltyWaffles]

While Vasudan contractors continued to build warships for the Terrans, and Vasudan engineers and tacticians worked closely with Terran friends on the design of a new generation of warships and weapons to counter the Shivan threat, the GTVA military began to segregate. Khonsu II reinstated the Medjai, a close-knit band of military leaders and admirals who reported directly to him. The Medjai began an ambitious restructuring of the Vasudan military in order to create a totally self-sufficient and powerful force capable of power projection, sustained counter-insurgency operations, and node denial.

From BP Fiction : The Rift.

D'oh. Yeah, this would be the little bit of fiction that I kind of forgot about, as mentioned in the OP. My bad; it is a fairly detailed mention about the Vasudan side of the GTVA that just avoids giving game-related specifics (like new ships/craft/weapons, etc).

Though on one bit I'm a little confused on the wording--so Vasudan contractors are doing the actual construction of many Terran ships, if I understand correctly, but are they designing their own generation of new ships, or are the seen and known ones of AoA and WiHp1 simply common/joint designs between Terrans and Vasudans? Did the Terrans contribute significantly to the Vasudan's next generation of warships and their designs? And why, exactly, are Vasudan contractors building most Terran warships? Wouldn't that kind of thing be an economic, cultural, and political boon to the Terrans? How exactly would Titans be icons of Terran pride if they were built by Vasudans? I understand the reasoning for Vasudans building a good portion of Terran ships, at least for a while after Capella, but I'm curious about the more recent dynamic.

Okay, as a side note: can I mention how awesome it is that there's a high-level intellectual debate about hypothetical sociocultural economics situations using various economic philosophies and talk about the specifics of historical and theoretical economical dynamics to figure it out? Feels like a testament to the awesomeness of BP's overall worldbuilding and emotional interest/investment.

[MatthTheGeek]

Vasudans contractors and engineers are collaborating in designing Terran warships. They do not build them, as in Terran warships are built from Terran shipyards, in Terran territory, for the Terran fleet, for Terran interests, and crewed by Terrans.

Vasudans will have their own new-gen ship designs, not necessarily made with the same imperatives, requirements and design philosophy as the Terran ones, perhaps with or without the collaboration of Terran engineers and contractors. You won't see Chimeraes or Nyxes in the Imperium fleet. You may see stuff way more awesome than that, built and crewed by Vasudans for Vasudans.

[SaltyWaffles]

Vasudans contractors and engineers are collaborating in designing Terran warships. They do not build them, as in Terran warships are built from Terran shipyards, in Terran territory, for the Terran fleet, for Terran interests, and crewed by Terrans.

While Vasudan contractors continued to build warships for the Terrans,

I'm a little confused here...

[Androgeos Exeunt]

You would, yes.

Vasudan technology has been implemented in Terran ships ever since the start of the Alliance, so they do build ships for the Terrans in that sense.

[headdie]

Terran - Vasudan hybrid technology started with shield tech and the Interceptor missile which combined a Terran warhead with a Vasudan engine, though I think the most notable Great War era colab was the Ulysses/Toth project where they worked together to produce a basic framework that was then adapted to fit each species need.

Going into FS2 the trend continues though not so much mention is made with only the Deimos and Colly specifically mentioning collaboration, though you can bet there was cooperation in other designs.

So yes the Vasudans and Terrans often work together usually with the Vasudans focusing on power and propulsion which they are *really* good at compared to terrans and we bring our love of blowing **** up and related design experience to arm the craft with each species building their own hulls.

while everything else is probably done in house you will probably find there is a lot of exchange of components with most of core weapon components built in Terran Space and shipped to the Vasudans when they need them and reactors and engines going the other way.

Now given the economic themes we have seen to day I would not be surprised to find that the Terrans are not able to keep up with Vasudan weaponry demands, meaning they are having to do more of the heavy lifting on that side of the agreement than they should be having to.

[-Norbert-]

Maybe this article could be changed to "build ship components for the Terrans" rather than mentioning whole ships.

[MatthTheGeek]

Vasudans contractors and engineers are collaborating in designing Terran warships. They do not build them, as in Terran warships are built from Terran shipyards, in Terran territory, for the Terran fleet, for Terran interests, and crewed by Terrans.

While Vasudan contractors continued to build warships for the Terrans,

I'm a little confused here...

Point taken, I think that part is indeed confusing. I heavily doubt Vasudans actually build ships for the Terrans at all, but they would collaborate in designing the ships, and perhaps constructing some specific spare parts for assembly by Terran shipmakers.

[crizza]

For the record, I checked the weapon comparison table.
Apart from the BVas, the vasudan beams are better...while the TEI beams are worlds apart from their ancenstors, will the new vasudan beams be still better?
Or maybe multipurpose beams being able to switch between slashing and direct fire?

[Aesaar]

I think it would be interesting if, as a result of rushing through beam technology around the time of FS2 (hence why their beams were often better than the Shivan ones), their beam technology peaked earlier, so they'd still be using their FS2 beams and modified TEI beams (with shorter recharge but less per-pulse damage).

[Androgeos Exeunt]

Maybe this article could be changed to "build ship components for the Terrans" rather than mentioning whole ships.

It can be split too.