[karajorma]

Again, another reason for pimping the TCs first.

[MatthTheGeek]

My two cents on this: Spoon, you are basically saying "if you don't go and comment in my thread then I'll stop modding because I'm not motivated".

That.

Is.

Retarded.

Last time I checked, the player base hasn't pledged to be at the service of the great, mighty Spoon. You simply can't force people to go and post after playing your campaign if they feel they have nothing to say that hasn't been said before. That doesn't mean they didn't enjoy your campaign. That just mean they have nothing more to say about it. Not everyone is a skilled reviewer nor has time to spend on fan wankery. You need to wake up, Spoon.

If you need player comments that much to fuel your ego, I suggest you seek professional help, if you know what I mean.

EDIT: and Spoon, before you answer: "that's not at all what I said, you are misinterpreting completely", I'm gonna answer: that's maybe not what you wanted to say, but that's definitely what I'm reading in your posts so far.

[The E]

What.

Can we please stop calling people dumb or stupid for their way of measuring the success of their work?

I assume Spoon is doing what he does because he has an innate desire to entertain people, a message he feels he needs to put in front of an audience. The feedback he gets is his reward, the people saying "I enjoyed this thing you made because you really nailed X" or "I think Y could be handled better by doing Z, for reasons of A" are the reason why he does what he does.

If this feedback is not present, if all there is is a number of downloads but no discussion of the experience the players had, then what conclusion is a content creator to draw? What lesson is there to learn?

And no, of course you can't force people to leave feedback. But neither can you force a creator to stay motivated if there is no indication that his message, whatever it may be, has been received.

[MatthTheGeek]

I am not denying that, what I am denying is that he feels entitled to receive this feedback no matter what. You can't FORCE players to give feedback. That's not how the real world work. We are not an ego-reinforcing factory.

[The E]

Then I would say that you are severely misunderstanding what Spoon and others have said.

Spoon being frustrated with the lack of feedback has nothing at all to do with wanting to force people to leave their comments.

[MatthTheGeek]

I have pre-emptively answered to that. See my post above.

[The E]

Oh, I am sorry for not thinking that "This may not be what you wanted to say, but it is what I understood" is a good reason for calling people stupid.

[MatthTheGeek]

It's as good a reason as making the whole playerbase responsible for one's lack of motivation because we didn't want to spend half our time feeding his ego.

[The E]

At this point, I would like to refer you to the first post in this thread, which is Spoon's preemptive answer to what you are saying here.

Also, hyperbole much?

[Axem]

Hey, I can play the reductio ad absurdum game too.

MatthTheGeek is really trying to say that we should lock all release threads because replies don't matter and we don't want to put people in a position where they think they need to reply.

[Spoon]

Hey MatthTheGeek, ignoring the rest of your absurdity for a moment, was I wrong in understanding your reasons for quitting BP Homeworld were:
1. Nobody is playing HW2 anymore so it feels pointless to continue?
2. Nobody is modding HW2 anymore so it feels pointless to continue?
Cause I sure understood these to be your reasons for quitting BP Homeworld.

Yeah, officially "indefinitely put on hold" until either I get a massive amount of players wishing for me to continue, or get a massive amount of motivation to continue by myself.

The HW2 community is kinda dead and I'd rather focus on modding projects on the Freespace side, where there will actually be people playing my stuff :/

Oh yeah. Sure looks that way!
I wonder how motivated you would have been to continued if your demo release thread had 20 pages of replies instead.

Now to reply to your absurdity...
Nah actually I've got nothing to say, I can't even take these last posts of yours serious in the slightest. You are basically just saying that Axem, The E, Battuta, Mjn.mixael, Luis Dias and me are all retarded and need professional help for wanting people to engage with their work.

You just created a strawman and attacked it full force with personal insults. If you've got nothing to say, don't post.

Edit: Oh and before you reply Matth, you should really do something about that reading comprehension of yours.

[Luis Dias]

HLP could probably create an official developers' ****ed-up-days diary thread so every single modder can vent their own frustrations away, either with the campaigns, ships, models, scripts, etc., or with the lack of feedback and so on, with the benefit of having it forbidden to have other people criticizing back "yeah you were stoopid coz u suck at this ya know".

Because having to endure this meta-conversation of how one should be more like Matth or NG or me or whatever is really making my face hurt from so much palming.

[NGTM-1R]

And Batts says I escalate. Jesus.

[Fineus]

Enough, everyone, please. Go outside and take some breaths of fresh air then go back to the point of the thread - sans-fighting.

Thanks

[Spoon]

Enough, everyone, please. Go outside and take some breaths of fresh air then go back to the point of the thread - sans-fighting.

Thanks

The point of the thread right now is telling Matth that
1. He shouldn't be doing personal attacks.
2. He shouldn't create strawmans
3. He should read better

Putting a lid on a boiling pot is bad moderating.

[Fineus]

The comment was directed to all involved, Spoon, but if you're a boiling pot then that is precisely why you should step away from your computer, turn off your web browser, go for a walk or whatever it takes to stop boiling.

Because I promise that if you all can't play nicely on what is ultimately a gaming forum - you'll be excluded until you've cooled off forcefully. I haven't the time nor inclination to negotiate when you could calm down for yourself.

So - a little self control please and step away from the topic until you lose the need to argue heatedly? Thanks.

(And in the interests of fairness, this goes for anyone else who feels the need to boil-over right now)...

[MatthTheGeek]

You can't compare HW2 modding and FSO. HW2 is dead. FSO is flourishing.

[Spoon]

You can't compare HW2 modding and FSO. HW2 is dead. FSO is flourishing.

Haha oh wow. You can't be serious.

[Flipside]

This thread has received multiple Moderation reports, it seems everyone thinks everyone else is doing it wrong.

In light of this, I'll ask everyone to calm down., from what I've read there are valid points being made on both sides, so let's debate those instead of calling each other names?

[NGTM-1R]

I feel rather like aldo used to when he was on the same side of an issue as Kazan. The problem is I'm not sure who's being Kazan here, if it's worthwhile to try and salvage this discussion, and whether any of the current participants are actually willing to attempt substantial contribution.

Also this should probably have gone to GenDisc by now.