[CODEDOG ND]

Originally posted by Warlock



But as a whole we're too squimish and too into the whole "humane" thing to fry these jackasses anymore.

Why do you think I live in Texas.  We fry more stuff than KFC!

If he's shooting at people then no idiot is going to say..."Ok Mr. Nice Gunman, will you please put down your gun so we can talk about this."  What are you going to do if you are the secruity guards?  You're going to shoot his ass off, it is instinctive.  Sometimes those instincts play off better than you think.  the body goes into the kill or be killed mode like soldiers in a war, you shoot him before he shoots you because no doubt he is going to shoot you, you just have to shoot him first.

[daveb]

All I can say is - booyah for experienced, trained Israeli's. Without them a whole heckuva lot more people would've died in that terminal.

Don't mess.

[Warlock]

Why ya think I turned down offers for State POlice or Security work after I left the military ?

"Hmmm he's got a gun" *Pulls side arm...empties clip into badguy*

"WTF do you mean 'You're under arrest'??? I'm the GOOD guy here!"

Course even the army has stupid rules

Like the 'use of a weapon' thing. The m-2 50 cal machine gun...it's actually against MILITARY law to use it against enemy soldiers UNLESS it's your ONLY weapon. It's made for anti-equipemnt and vehicles.

lol

I always used to joke that well...you know a helmet IS equipment...it's not MY fault the bullet went RIGHT throw that AND his head

Still...too many rules for upholding what's right...be it in everyday life or war.

[CODEDOG ND]

Originally posted by Warlock


Like the 'use of a weapon' thing. The m-2 50 cal machine gun...it's actually against MILITARY law to use it against enemy soldiers UNLESS it's your ONLY weapon. It's made for anti-equipemnt and vehicles.

Screw that I'd shoot em anyways.

[Warlock]

*shrug*

Thankfully I was never in that situation...I'd be hard pressed to "calmly" sit through a courtmartial over that BS  lol


"excuse me sir ....but you're a f*cking idoit aren't you ?"

[Mr. Vega]

Originally posted by CODEDOG ND


Screw that I'd shoot em anyways.

saddness.....

[Warlock]

Originally posted by Mr. Vega


saddness.....

Ummm why ?

His comment was about my comment saying Army Regs stated you aren't supoossed to use a hvy machine gun on enemery personal.

What's so sad about someone ding just that if it's in a WAR ?

[Mr. Vega]

He just keeps on insisting we shoot the guy without questioning. That's what the saddness..... is for

[Warlock]

Well ummm....guy shoots innocent ppl....and doesn't immediatly drop his gun and give up,...sooooooo yea I can see shooting him without questioning.

I mean...if you are a cop or guard...and out on your patrol...you come up on a guy about to kill someone ...do you ask him to stop and discuss his actions ? At the cost of more lives perhaps ?

We have to know were the lines are. Being the "better" person and doing the "right" thing does have limits. Ever notice the more liberal laws dealing with punishments get the MORE crime goes up ? Ever wonder if it's because criminals really don't worry about getting caught ? I've actually HEARD ppl before say they wouldn't care if they got caught doing something because jailtime was "easy" to handle.

Sorry but I'm of a more simple straight forward concept.

You kill someone: Fried or baked?

You rape someone: Easily fixed...look at Ms Bobbit's example.

You rob someone or othere crime: Jail,..but none like we have it now...You, a slab and pillow to sleep on, a hole to crap in IN your cell. 3 square meals of the CHEAPEST possible food in the country.

[Grey Wolf]

That's also what the "I need to get off of this planet remark is for".

When we lose our respect for human life, we have lost all hope for our race as a whole.

[Warlock]

Sorry ...I didn't know a cold blooded murderer was still to be concerned "human life"

[CP5670]

Yeah, America will go far with that kind of attitude.

Very far, as will anyone else who goes by this "attitude." Society does not and cannot operate on morals. It really is pointless to have any inherent "respect" for human life in that sense; humans are just another part of the universe, and we don't seem to have any "respect" for nonliving things. (which is good)

Also, while it is indeed more rewarding to capture enemies alive, it is also much more difficult to do. Remember that after people heard the gunfire the whole place went up in pandemonium, and it would have become very easy for the guy to slip away in the confusion. Although in this situation, the whole thing seemed quite poorly planned (the guy should have started firing after getting on the plane, not at the airport terminal), and the operation did not have that bin Laden "master's touch" to it; the guy probably was not affiliated with any large terrorist organization, and even if he was, they probably only told him as much as he needed to know, so he would not yield much information. (one interesting thing is while Atta and one or two of the upper-level guys on the 9/11 planes knew that they were on a suicide mission, most of the hijackers thought that it was going to be a normal plane hijacking and did not expect to die)

[Grey Wolf]

Originally posted by Warlock
Sorry ...I didn't know a cold blooded murderer was still to be concerned "human life"

I just feel killing them brings you down to their level. I feel we should just lock them up for eternity instead. Pardon me for believing in that little phrase: "Thou shalt not kill."

[Warlock]

Same book that quotes "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth"

Besides......honestly I do NOT like the idea of paying for those bastards to eat etc etc for the next 60 + years. (Based on average age group being 30s and average lifespan of 90)

I mean if they'd actually get to basics, 4 walls, a board to sleep on and a small bowl of rice for meals. ...ok that'd be a bit better

[Grey Wolf]

Originally posted by Warlock
I mean if they'd actually get to basics, 4 walls, a board to sleep on and a small bowl of rice for meals. ...ok that'd be a bit better

Of course, why would they deserve anything better? I'm just against capital punishment, that's all.

[CP5670]

I agree with Warlock there; there have been a few cases of homeless people who are struggling to make ends meet commiting some minor crime just to get imprisoned, since they get a much, much better life in jail.

"Thou shalt not kill" is fine but only when applied as a method to other objectives; as an end in itself it means nothing.

[01010]

Originally posted by Warlock
Well ummm....guy shoots innocent ppl....and doesn't immediatly drop his gun and give up,...sooooooo yea I can see shooting him without questioning.
 

I thought the point was that the guy had dropped his gun and was lay prone on the floor when he was shot?

[LtNarol]

people in prison eat better food than i do, thats seriously messed up...on the other hand, i tend to think life in prison without parole is worse than death.

[vyper]

Lets be realistic, if you're talking about "war" which is what Bush and Blair keep saying "war on terrorism" then yes, you have to be ruthless and sometimes a bit less civilised than normal. However, there is a point at which you must stand behind your own principles or you become no better than the enemy. There are rules - even in war.

Note: According to reuters news agency, the gunman was tackled first by an unarmed security guard, whose partner then drew his weapon and fired - the gunman was mortally wounded but continued to struggle and managed to stab them both.

The FBI rejected a report in the Los Angeles Times that Hadayet had been disarmed and subdued before he was shot by one of the El Al guards at close range, saying that the two airline security officers had probably saved lives.

Now u see you've all be arguing over nothing

[Sandwich]

Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009
Pardon me for believing in that little phrase: "Thou shalt not kill."

"Thou shalt not kill"?? Where the heck is that from? There's a similar phrase in the Bible - one of the Ten Commandments, actually - that says "Thou shalt not murder."

Don't get 'em confused.