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Offline Shrike

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Well, the .50 cal was designed originally as an anti-air gun back in the WWII days. Since it's pretty useless for that purpose nowadays, it's stuck in every corner of the armed forces that it fits (at least, it is in the IDF). I'd say it's great at tearing apart anything with equal or less armor than the M113 APC. It's fire rate ain't all that high compared to a standard "machine gun", making it useless at "spraying" infantry (unlike the Vulcan... ;7).
Actually, you can dial down the ROF on a vulcan... 1000 RPM is high, but still slow enough for effective use. ;)
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Actually Shrike ...the .50 is "Meant" for things like trucks and bunkers etc ....and ...ahem...spraying ...IN FRONT of enemy troops.

Which I'll admit IS effective...the debris from round impacts would take out most of them. Hell just having a round pass close enough can kill a man :)

Vulcan...I've actually got a shell casing from that beast....ummm...ouch. It packs more powder than some small rockets :D  Roughly 2 inches diameter by 6 inches long...JUST the casing..not the bullet.

When they flew a few A-10s over us out at JRTC in Ft Polk for training.....you'd hear the Vulcan firing and the fighters be NO where in sight. I didn't know WTF that noise was my first week in the field. Sounds NOTHING like a weapon. Imagine someone ripping Velcro ...only 10,000 times louder.
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When they flew a few A-10s over us out at JRTC in Ft Polk for training.....you'd hear the Vulcan firing and the fighters be NO where in sight. I didn't know WTF that noise was my first week in the field. Sounds NOTHING like a weapon. Imagine someone ripping Velcro ...only 10,000 times louder.
My cousin who was in the Canadian Navy said the same thing about the CIWS systems.  A giant zipper he called them.
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Offline Warlock

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hmmm yea thats bout right.

Just a horribly loud "rrrrrrrrrrriiiiiipppppppppppppppppppppppppppffffffffffffttt" sound.

*sigh*

I still prefered my old M-60 :) Least with THAT you could hear EACH round pacing off. ,,,,,Then they swapped out for the SAW,...some bastard cross breed of the M60 and M16.

*sigh*

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Offline CODEDOG ND

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All .50cal weapons are mainly used for Anti-Truck and Light Armor.  I know the M82 Barret and its close cousins are fun to play with.  I had a friend that owned one, and dang that thing was loud!  Of course he was making an 8 inch group at a 1000 yards with it too in about a 20 mph side wind.  The more anti-personal large caliber weapons are like the M98 that shoots a .338 lapua magnum round.  Ouch.  

I've heard that Vulcan before, that thing looked sweet.  I read somewhere IF you could hold down the trigger until it emptied out its ammo box without the barrels melting it would last only 18 seconds.

I actually like the M249 SAW better than the M60.  Maybe it would be because you can slap somebody's M16 magazine into your gun if you ran out of ammo, and I think they said it is more reliable somewhere.  

However, when I play a game like Desert Siege and I'm in the wilderness I'm going for that M60 or PKM.  But if all else fails I can also grab the A9-91.  Gotta love SOME of those Russian guns.:)
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Offline Warlock

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Blah,....the SAW was a POS. Rate of fire too high for small calibur ammo,...USED small cal ammo...barrels melted faster than all hell.

With my M60 I could dump 50 bursts (SHOULDn't...but could) ....my SAW...20 rounds the barrel glowed like Vader's Lightsaber on Viagra.

And yea you could slap a mag from a 16 into it...and ? it's 30 rounds of .556 ammo ?

When I went on detail playing OPFOR with my M60...I had a set of webgear I bought myself...took the magazine cases and ripped the mag dividers out...could get a 200 round belt in each...took an empty 2 gallon canteen carrier and used it to carry another 400 round belt,...and had a 400 round belt wrapping my arm on drop feed.

Magazines for machineguns.........blah. Takes away all the damned fun :D
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Offline Blue Lion

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Blah,....the SAW was a POS. Rate of fire too high for small calibur ammo,...USED small cal ammo...barrels melted faster than all hell.

With my M60 I could dump 50 bursts (SHOULDn't...but could) ....my SAW...20 rounds the barrel glowed like Vader's Lightsaber on Viagra.

And yea you could slap a mag from a 16 into it...and ? it's 30 rounds of .556 ammo ?

When I went on detail playing OPFOR with my M60...I had a set of webgear I bought myself...took the magazine cases and ripped the mag dividers out...could get a 200 round belt in each...took an empty 2 gallon canteen carrier and used it to carry another 400 round belt,...and had a 400 round belt wrapping my arm on drop feed.

Magazines for machineguns.........blah. Takes away all the damned fun :D


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Offline Warlock

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And you guys thought I was evil in Squadwars :D

:snipe:

heheheh ;7
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Offline Blue Lion

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And you guys thought I was evil in Squadwars :D

:snipe:

heheheh ;7


 Since when are you mean in SW? Ya big softy

 

Offline daveb

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On the .50 :

While I agree its odd, I can see the reason they designate it as not-for-use-against-infantry.

The reasoning is the same as follows : This isn't a well known fact, but standard NATO ammo is _specifically_ designed to wound and not to kill. That is, the rounds are full-metal-jacketed - designed to pierce completely _without_ expending all the energy on its target. Hence creating a wounded soldier almost as inert as a dead one.  This is in contrast to say, cheapo hunting ammo, which is specifically designed to mushroom on impact with a target to expend the maximum amount of energy on the target (stopping inside) and making the biggest hole.  (I always get kindof amused when people say - oOOoOOooo eeeeevil "military" ammo.  If I had a choice, I'd rather get hit with one of those evil military rounds rather than the somewhat PC hunting ammo).

Anyway, that gives you the flavor. The idea is to take out the enemy, not butcher him.  Granted this kind of flies in the face of the reality of artillery, grenade, etc, etc.  But no one has ever claimed that war makes sense.

Thus ends dave's firearms history lesson of the day.

 

Offline Warlock

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heh Yea I knew the reasons. Just like the M16's rifling is designed to cause the ammounition to flip tip over end after a small distance rather than spin as per a normal round so that it will cause more tissue damage by tumbling through the body instead of punching right through.

"Kill a man you remove one soldier from the battle.....wound a man you remove three,...the one you shot and the two that carry him out of the battle."
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Offline daveb

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Ehhhh, that's a myth. Any bullet that tumbles is going to come crashing down super quick. And any bullet not stabilized enough to stay in level flight certainly isn't going to travel the 400+ yards a .223 is good for. I've seen this point argued on several gun forums. Inevitably it always ends with some USMC sniper type jumping in and saying it ain't so :)

Edit : I thought you meant tumbling in flight (not possible) vs. tumbling upon impact which apparently was indeed part of the M16 design. Wacky.
« Last Edit: July 07, 2002, 12:43:31 am by 700 »

 

Offline Warlock

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heh no worries ,...sorry I should have stated on impact .....and actually...it's a .556 round ....the .223 is the "legal" civilian version of the m16,...the AR 15 or something like that.
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Offline CODEDOG ND

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I'm not found of that .556mm but it does have a few things over the 7.62mm that I like.  Military ammo sux, I hate it and never hunt with it unless you are trying to make head shots on a deer.  

A tumbling bullet does cause more damage, but the range just sux.  Only time I've ever had a bullet tumble is when I've hit a limb, but it does make a nice big fat hole.  :)  

Pending on your gun type, if the enemy has body armor I think I'd rather sweep him in the legs if your using something light like an MP5 or BIZON.  Cut him down and then shoot him in the head.  Higher power weapons like the M60, M4, M16, An-94, FN FAL, A9-91, Ak-47, AK-74, AK-74 SU, etc, etc.  Maybe a good two shots to the chest and maybe one in the head or neck.  However I'd prefer to blow him up with an M136 or LAW, but then again they probably have some rule against blowing up soliders with weapons meant for light armor for those too.  :/
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AR 15


Yup...cost too much or I'd buy one.  Oh well I'll play with my SKS until I make it all pretty looking and cooler looking than a goofy AR-15.
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Heh, SKS. The badge of the true enthusiast  ;)

Oh, 556/223 is for limp wristed chumps. .308 all the way :p

 

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10x24mm HEAP.

Ok, sure, that doesn't technically exist...... but USCM pulse rifles are cool. ;)
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Offline daveb

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Definitely on my future buy list.

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I have seen somewhere that special forces have a .50 rifle variant that fires one slug at a time.  A HEAP style to penetrate tank and light armor's engine blocks to disable the vehicle.

Anyone else seen these things or know exactly what I'm referring to?
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Offline Martinus

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10x24mm HEAP.

Ok, sure, that doesn't technically exist...... but USCM pulse rifles are cool. ;)


Hmmm the M41A pulse rifle.

Maeglamor has 1:1 scale plans and a good idea of how to implement the ammo counter too.  ;7

*Starts hunting for fiberglass resin*