[Aardwolf]

What about the voice acting? Do they not say "Raynor" once in all of BP:AoA?

[Aesaar]

Thanks guys.  Believe it or not, it's been nearly a year since I started this model.

I always thought the naming convention of FreeSpace (as in Greek mythological figures) is unsustainable and thought Raynor was a good change that could be linked to BP's expanded universe's history. Is Erebus just a codename or is it gonna be a retcon?

No less sustainable than any other naming convention.  Like most modern navies, I don't think the GTVA only uses a name once.  Names are almost certainly reused as ships are decommissioned.  Moreover, the GTVA doesn't restrict itself to Greek mythology.  Apart from other mythologies, there's pretty much any ship name you can think of: places, people, adjectives, etc.

While we're on the topic, I wouldn't have much of a problem with names from fiction if that fiction was undeniably classic literature.  Something like, say, the Lord of the Rings.  Starcraft doesn't even come close to qualifying.

And yes, the name change is happening.  And believe it or not, it's mentioned precisely once in AoA, in a line that can be cut out fairly easily.

Do I spot new turrets?

There are a lot of new turrets.  Total count is 60, up from 41.

Loadout is:
HBlue: 1
BBlue: 1
MBlue: 4
TerSlashBlue: 2
PBlue: 2
TerPulse: 8
STerPulse: 4
Eos: 6 (x4)
AAA: 8
Terran Turret 2: 22
Misc (CM): 2

[SF-Junky]

While we're on the topic, I wouldn't have much of a problem with names from fiction if that fiction was undeniably classic literature.  Something like, say, the Lord of the Rings.  Starcraft doesn't even come close to qualifying.

Why is that?

There are a lot of new turrets.  Total count is 60, up from 41.

Which is totally justified in my eyes. Having kilometers long warships with only a handfull of turrets is total bogus. I recently upgunned the Orion to have some 60 turrets, too.

[An4ximandros]

Following that line of though, why is Batman cited as classic literature? Answering: "Because he is the goddamn Batman!" does not count.

There are tons of names that can replace Raynor (Ex: Nelson, Carthage) that sound better than Erebus.

Disclaimer: I don't expect to change anything stating my opinion, just putting it out there.

[MatthTheGeek]

But none that sound cooler than Raynor. As far as I'm concerned, starcraft doesn't even exist, so it should be a non-issue.

[The E]

Yeah, you've been pretty much overruled on that.

[Nyctaeus]

What is PBlue?

[crizza]

PBlue = Pulse Blue? Some sort of AAA like beam cannon, maybe for longf range sniping?

And I meant new turret designs Aessar, but still an impressive loadout.

[SypheDMar]

While we're on the topic, I wouldn't have much of a problem with names from fiction if that fiction was undeniably classic literature.  Something like, say, the Lord of the Rings.  Starcraft doesn't even come close to qualifying.

I didn't mean to think that Raynor came from Star Craft, and that's not why I'm like it so much. It was just that a long time ago on the board here, there was mention that the name Raynor could have come from a famous person from BP's history, and I was happy with that explanation. The hat trick made the person cease to exist.

But that's still not the biggest issue. We've been calling it the Raynor for so long, changing it now is like pulling a George Lucas!

Suffice to say, I'll get used to the name switch once the next release happens.

[Black Wolf]

I don't really think there needs to be much of a controversy here. The fact is, Aesaar has made a great model here - that's undeniable. But it's also a terrible HTL - if the Raynor were a [V] ship, I'd fight tooth and nail to keep this version out of the MediaVPs. It loses a lot of critical Raynor features like the tubes, like that huge spine of multiparts. It also has much less of a vertical component in the engine section than the Raynor does. It's clearly been inspired by the Raynor, but it's a different ship.

Personally, given the long history of the Raynor model before BP, I think I would have been more disappointed if they'd tried to keep the name for this model instead of changing it.

[Hades]

I sincerely disagree, what makes a great HTL great is taking the original design, throwing out as much of the bad as you can (which I feel was done in Aesaar's model), and infusing it with sexual energy the modeler's creativity, making it something of their own. So, in my opinion, this Erebus makes for an amazing HTL Raynor as well.

[MatthTheGeek]

if the Raynor were a [V] ship, I'd fight tooth and nail to keep this version out of the MediaVPs.

Turns out it's not. Who knew ?

[Black Wolf]

if the Raynor were a [V] ship, I'd fight tooth and nail to keep this version out of the MediaVPs.

Turns out it's not. Who knew ?

Shock horror, you're right! Do you need a lesson in the word "If"?

Hades: I think we've had more than enough discussions on this issue to know where we both stand, although I do think this is an interesting situation. Think about it this way - this is a model with a new name, a distinctly different design in several key areas, a new turret layout and a higher total number of turrets. Is it really really just a high poly makeover of the old model any more? The way I see it, it's basically a Ship of Theseus now - beyond a general resemblance, there's really nothing left of the original model. So why pretend? Let it break out and be its own thing I say.

Of course, that wont stop people using it in place of a HTL Raynor, and nor should it if they choose to. But I'd also not be surprised to see the existing Raynor continue to be used alongside it.

[Phantom Hoover]

What about the voice acting? Do they not say "Raynor" once in all of BP:AoA?

They say it exactly once, all that needs to be changed is the one line.

As for the Erebus not being faithful to the Raynor, I don't really see the problem — it's a redesign of an old community model for its BP usage, the same as Aesaar's Diomedes or Draco.

_{I still miss the tubes though.}

[SypheDMar]

Except neither the Diomedes nor the Draco got a name change.

But Black Wolf has grudgingly convinced me that it may be the better this way, even though I have more affection for the name than the model.

[blowfish]

After making that awesome of a model, I think Aesaar has the right to call it whatever he wants

[BritishShivans]

After making that awesome of a model, I think Aesaar has the right to call it whatever he wants

Agreed on that. My only point of contention is that the bridge is no longer tall and pointy, but I can ignore that.

[Luis Dias]

Wait that was a Raynor?

Now I want to see it from the upper side. I absolutely disagree with Black Wolf, I think (so far) that it is an awesome Raynor!

[An4ximandros]

Wait that was a Raynor?

Now I want to see it from the upper side. I absolutely disagree with Black Wolf, I think (so far) that it is an awesome Erebus!

Fix'd

[starbug]

I think it is a bloody awesome model and if people dont want to use it as a HD raynor then simply dont use it easy. The name change dosent bother me and the new one i think fits better with BP. I just can't wait to see what Aesaar is doing with the Titan carrier, that has been one of my favourite user ship designs of all.

Also what is the PBlue?? is it a pulse beam like you get in Homeworld 2 of Nexus?