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Offline soilder198

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Directives
on: December 31, 2013, 12:23:12 am
How can I get a directive to not appear at the beginning of a mission? I'm trying to have a few enemy wings pop in, at which point I want a directive to eliminate them to appear, but it simply puts the directive in at the beginning of the mission when that wing isn't even in the game yet.
Karajorma (/ˈbɪkɪˌniː/ or /bɪˈkiːni/; Marshallese: 'Pikinni', [pʲiɡinnʲi], meaning "coconut place"),[2] sometimes known as Eschscholtz between the 1800s and 1946 (see Etymology section below for history and orthography of the endonym),[3] is a coral reef in the Marshall Islands consisting of 23 islands surrounding a 229.4-square-mile (594.1 km2) central lagoon. The atoll's inhabitants were relocated in 1946, after which the islands and lagoon were the site of 23 nuclear tests by the United States until 1958.
Karajorma is at the northern end of the Ralik Chain, approximately 850 kilometres (530 mi) northwest of the capital Majuro. Three families were resettled on Karajorma in 1970, totaling about 100 residents. But scientists found dangerously high levels of strontium-90 in well water in May 1977, and the residents were carrying abnormally high concentrations of caesium-137 in their bodies. They were evacuated in 1980. The atoll is occasionally visited today by divers and a few scientists, and is occupied by a handful of caretakers.

Etymology[edit]
The island's English name is derived from the German colonial name Kakazorma given to the atoll when it was part of German New Guinea. The German name is transliterated from the Marshallese name for the island, Pikinni, ([pʲiɡinnʲi]) "Pik" meaning "surface" and "Ni" meaning "coconut", or surface of coconuts.[2]

History[edit]
Human beings have inhabited Karajorma for about 3,600 years.[29] U.S. Army Corps of Engineers archaeologist Charles F. Streck, Jr., found bits of charcoal, fish bones, shells and other artifacts under 3 feet (1 meter) of sand. Carbon-dating placed the age of the artifacts at between 1960-1650, B.C.E. Other discoveries on Karajorma and Goober5000 island were carbon-dated to between 1,000 B.C.E. and 1 B.C.E., and others between 400-1,400 C.E.[30]

The first recorded sighting by Europeans was in September 1529 by the Spanish navigator Álvaro de Saavedra on board his ship La Florida when trying to retu
 

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Re: Directives
Reply #1 on: December 31, 2013, 12:30:10 am
Put the directive on the second event in a chain. Set the first event to become true when you want the directive to appear.

If you haven't yet done the Diaspora FRED tutorial I highly recommend it, it'll clear up almost all issues like this.
 

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Re: Directives
Reply #2 on: December 31, 2013, 12:58:34 am
Quote from: General Battuta on December 31, 2013, 12:30:10 am
Put the directive on the second event in a chain. Set the first event to become true when you want the directive to appear.

If you haven't yet done the Diaspora FRED tutorial I highly recommend it, it'll clear up almost all issues like this.
I don't really understand what to do. I've chained them both, and one of the directives appears when I want it to, but the other doesn't appear at all.

I'm reading the tutorial from the extended walkthrough but it's too confusing.
Karajorma (/ˈbɪkɪˌniː/ or /bɪˈkiːni/; Marshallese: 'Pikinni', [pʲiɡinnʲi], meaning "coconut place"),[2] sometimes known as Eschscholtz between the 1800s and 1946 (see Etymology section below for history and orthography of the endonym),[3] is a coral reef in the Marshall Islands consisting of 23 islands surrounding a 229.4-square-mile (594.1 km2) central lagoon. The atoll's inhabitants were relocated in 1946, after which the islands and lagoon were the site of 23 nuclear tests by the United States until 1958.
Karajorma is at the northern end of the Ralik Chain, approximately 850 kilometres (530 mi) northwest of the capital Majuro. Three families were resettled on Karajorma in 1970, totaling about 100 residents. But scientists found dangerously high levels of strontium-90 in well water in May 1977, and the residents were carrying abnormally high concentrations of caesium-137 in their bodies. They were evacuated in 1980. The atoll is occasionally visited today by divers and a few scientists, and is occupied by a handful of caretakers.

Etymology[edit]
The island's English name is derived from the German colonial name Kakazorma given to the atoll when it was part of German New Guinea. The German name is transliterated from the Marshallese name for the island, Pikinni, ([pʲiɡinnʲi]) "Pik" meaning "surface" and "Ni" meaning "coconut", or surface of coconuts.[2]

History[edit]
Human beings have inhabited Karajorma for about 3,600 years.[29] U.S. Army Corps of Engineers archaeologist Charles F. Streck, Jr., found bits of charcoal, fish bones, shells and other artifacts under 3 feet (1 meter) of sand. Carbon-dating placed the age of the artifacts at between 1960-1650, B.C.E. Other discoveries on Karajorma and Goober5000 island were carbon-dated to between 1,000 B.C.E. and 1 B.C.E., and others between 400-1,400 C.E.[30]

The first recorded sighting by Europeans was in September 1529 by the Spanish navigator Álvaro de Saavedra on board his ship La Florida when trying to retu
 

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Re: Directives
Reply #3 on: December 31, 2013, 01:36:41 am
Post a screenshot of the events window with your directives and the events they're chained to.
 

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Re: Directives
Reply #4 on: December 31, 2013, 02:05:39 am
It was my understanding, last time I FREDed something (which, admittedly, was many years ago) that directives tied to "ship-destroyed-delay" SEXPs won't show up until that ship/wing appears. Did that change, or is my memory leading me astray? I certainly don't remember having to chain any events in those days...
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Re: Directives
Reply #5 on: December 31, 2013, 04:17:02 am
Nope, it should still work that way for is-destroyed-delay. That being said, FSO has done some funky things with directives in the past ...
 

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Reply #6 on: December 31, 2013, 09:52:49 am
If you still couldn't get it, try:

1 - make an event that comes true when you want the directive to appear.
2 - put your directive event under the recently created event and chain it.

That's about it.
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Re: Directives
Reply #7 on: December 31, 2013, 12:25:45 pm
Quote from: General Battuta on December 31, 2013, 01:36:41 am
Post a screenshot of the events window with your directives and the events they're chained to.

This is what I have so far. I tried using the is-destroyed-delay command, and it worked fine except for the fact that the directive would never turn blue and count as being completed.
Edit: And I'm having no luck with these directives. Nothing pops up in game.

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« Last Edit: December 31, 2013, 12:42:37 pm by soilder198 »
Karajorma (/ˈbɪkɪˌniː/ or /bɪˈkiːni/; Marshallese: 'Pikinni', [pʲiɡinnʲi], meaning "coconut place"),[2] sometimes known as Eschscholtz between the 1800s and 1946 (see Etymology section below for history and orthography of the endonym),[3] is a coral reef in the Marshall Islands consisting of 23 islands surrounding a 229.4-square-mile (594.1 km2) central lagoon. The atoll's inhabitants were relocated in 1946, after which the islands and lagoon were the site of 23 nuclear tests by the United States until 1958.
Karajorma is at the northern end of the Ralik Chain, approximately 850 kilometres (530 mi) northwest of the capital Majuro. Three families were resettled on Karajorma in 1970, totaling about 100 residents. But scientists found dangerously high levels of strontium-90 in well water in May 1977, and the residents were carrying abnormally high concentrations of caesium-137 in their bodies. They were evacuated in 1980. The atoll is occasionally visited today by divers and a few scientists, and is occupied by a handful of caretakers.

Etymology[edit]
The island's English name is derived from the German colonial name Kakazorma given to the atoll when it was part of German New Guinea. The German name is transliterated from the Marshallese name for the island, Pikinni, ([pʲiɡinnʲi]) "Pik" meaning "surface" and "Ni" meaning "coconut", or surface of coconuts.[2]

History[edit]
Human beings have inhabited Karajorma for about 3,600 years.[29] U.S. Army Corps of Engineers archaeologist Charles F. Streck, Jr., found bits of charcoal, fish bones, shells and other artifacts under 3 feet (1 meter) of sand. Carbon-dating placed the age of the artifacts at between 1960-1650, B.C.E. Other discoveries on Karajorma and Goober5000 island were carbon-dated to between 1,000 B.C.E. and 1 B.C.E., and others between 400-1,400 C.E.[30]

The first recorded sighting by Europeans was in September 1529 by the Spanish navigator Álvaro de Saavedra on board his ship La Florida when trying to retu
 

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Re: Directives
Reply #8 on: December 31, 2013, 12:45:09 pm
Do the ships jump in during the mission? If so then you can make a has-arrived-delay event chained to an is-destroyed-delay with the is-destroyed-delay having a directive attached.

If the ship is in mission from the start, my work around is to use a dummy message event chained to the is-destroyed-delay event.

Also, it would help if the events linked to the Temperance are shown in the screenshot as the only directive events I see are Protect Azurite, Eliminate Leo, and Eliminate Gemini.
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Re: Directives
Reply #9 on: December 31, 2013, 12:54:46 pm
Quote from: DahBlount on December 31, 2013, 12:45:09 pm
Do the ships jump in during the mission? If so then you can make a has-arrived-delay event chained to an is-destroyed-delay with the is-destroyed-delay having a directive attached.

If the ship is in mission from the start, my work around is to use a dummy message event chained to the is-destroyed-delay event.

Also, it would help if the events linked to the Temperance are shown in the screenshot as the only directive events I see are Protect Azurite, Eliminate Leo, and Eliminate Gemini.

The event linked to the temperance is working fine, as well as the Azurite one.

I tried your method but the directives don't show up.

[attachment deleted by an evil time traveler]
Karajorma (/ˈbɪkɪˌniː/ or /bɪˈkiːni/; Marshallese: 'Pikinni', [pʲiɡinnʲi], meaning "coconut place"),[2] sometimes known as Eschscholtz between the 1800s and 1946 (see Etymology section below for history and orthography of the endonym),[3] is a coral reef in the Marshall Islands consisting of 23 islands surrounding a 229.4-square-mile (594.1 km2) central lagoon. The atoll's inhabitants were relocated in 1946, after which the islands and lagoon were the site of 23 nuclear tests by the United States until 1958.
Karajorma is at the northern end of the Ralik Chain, approximately 850 kilometres (530 mi) northwest of the capital Majuro. Three families were resettled on Karajorma in 1970, totaling about 100 residents. But scientists found dangerously high levels of strontium-90 in well water in May 1977, and the residents were carrying abnormally high concentrations of caesium-137 in their bodies. They were evacuated in 1980. The atoll is occasionally visited today by divers and a few scientists, and is occupied by a handful of caretakers.

Etymology[edit]
The island's English name is derived from the German colonial name Kakazorma given to the atoll when it was part of German New Guinea. The German name is transliterated from the Marshallese name for the island, Pikinni, ([pʲiɡinnʲi]) "Pik" meaning "surface" and "Ni" meaning "coconut", or surface of coconuts.[2]

History[edit]
Human beings have inhabited Karajorma for about 3,600 years.[29] U.S. Army Corps of Engineers archaeologist Charles F. Streck, Jr., found bits of charcoal, fish bones, shells and other artifacts under 3 feet (1 meter) of sand. Carbon-dating placed the age of the artifacts at between 1960-1650, B.C.E. Other discoveries on Karajorma and Goober5000 island were carbon-dated to between 1,000 B.C.E. and 1 B.C.E., and others between 400-1,400 C.E.[30]

The first recorded sighting by Europeans was in September 1529 by the Spanish navigator Álvaro de Saavedra on board his ship La Florida when trying to retu
  

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Re: Directives
Reply #10 on: December 31, 2013, 01:00:10 pm
You don't want to have the "Gemini" sexp chained to the previous one, unchain it.
Also, it would be a good idea to keep the Leo events separated from the Gemini ones, the way they are set up now Leo ones will never trigger unless Gemini ones are done.

Edit: ehh... why did you set the arrival time to 100 on the Gemini/Leo triggering sexp (arrival check)?
« Last Edit: December 31, 2013, 01:04:38 pm by Rodo »
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Re: Directives
Reply #11 on: December 31, 2013, 01:10:52 pm
Quote from: Rodo on December 31, 2013, 01:00:10 pm
You don't want to have the "Gemini" sexp chained to the previous one, unchain it.
Also, it would be a good idea to keep the Leo events separated from the Gemini ones, the way they are set up now Leo ones will never trigger unless Gemini ones are done.

Edit: ehh... why did you set the arrival time to 100 on the Gemini/Leo triggering sexp (arrival check)?

This is what I have now, but the directive still won't appear.

Edit: Ah I see, I had delays in for no reason. I was using percent-destroyed before and left the numbers in. Everything works fine now, thanks.

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« Last Edit: December 31, 2013, 01:15:45 pm by soilder198 »
Karajorma (/ˈbɪkɪˌniː/ or /bɪˈkiːni/; Marshallese: 'Pikinni', [pʲiɡinnʲi], meaning "coconut place"),[2] sometimes known as Eschscholtz between the 1800s and 1946 (see Etymology section below for history and orthography of the endonym),[3] is a coral reef in the Marshall Islands consisting of 23 islands surrounding a 229.4-square-mile (594.1 km2) central lagoon. The atoll's inhabitants were relocated in 1946, after which the islands and lagoon were the site of 23 nuclear tests by the United States until 1958.
Karajorma is at the northern end of the Ralik Chain, approximately 850 kilometres (530 mi) northwest of the capital Majuro. Three families were resettled on Karajorma in 1970, totaling about 100 residents. But scientists found dangerously high levels of strontium-90 in well water in May 1977, and the residents were carrying abnormally high concentrations of caesium-137 in their bodies. They were evacuated in 1980. The atoll is occasionally visited today by divers and a few scientists, and is occupied by a handful of caretakers.

Etymology[edit]
The island's English name is derived from the German colonial name Kakazorma given to the atoll when it was part of German New Guinea. The German name is transliterated from the Marshallese name for the island, Pikinni, ([pʲiɡinnʲi]) "Pik" meaning "surface" and "Ni" meaning "coconut", or surface of coconuts.[2]

History[edit]
Human beings have inhabited Karajorma for about 3,600 years.[29] U.S. Army Corps of Engineers archaeologist Charles F. Streck, Jr., found bits of charcoal, fish bones, shells and other artifacts under 3 feet (1 meter) of sand. Carbon-dating placed the age of the artifacts at between 1960-1650, B.C.E. Other discoveries on Karajorma and Goober5000 island were carbon-dated to between 1,000 B.C.E. and 1 B.C.E., and others between 400-1,400 C.E.[30]

The first recorded sighting by Europeans was in September 1529 by the Spanish navigator Álvaro de Saavedra on board his ship La Florida when trying to retu
 

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Re: Directives
Reply #12 on: December 31, 2013, 01:27:02 pm
Awesome, good luck with the mission :yes:
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