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Offline Kellan

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I take it you are dropping the argument, then? Too bad, I wanted to keep going. :D


Nah, I just wanted to be sarcastic. I'll take up the argument once I reason out my response.

 

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Technically, yes, I could say you are commiting henious acts of terrorism as you are writing that. (and there probably are people in the world who do really think you are by using electricity :D) Who is to say whether or not you "really" are a terrorist? :p Until "terrorism" has been given a mathematically precise meaning (which to my knowledge it has not), this is how things stand.


You can't say I'm a terrorist. The term 'terror' has no meaning according to your rationale, because the experience of terror is not universal or replicable. It has no mathematical definition. Basically, 'terror' and 'terrorism' are just empty phrases given meanings which are mathematically irrational.

Therefore, nobody can be a terrorist. :D

 

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You can't say I'm a terrorist. The term 'terror' has no meaning according to your rationale, because the experience of terror is not universal or replicable. It has no mathematical definition. Basically, 'terror' and 'terrorism' are just empty phrases given meanings which are mathematically irrational.

Therefore, nobody can be a terrorist. :D


Exactly, but that also means that everyone is terrorist. Remember that an idea cannot really exist without its counterpart, and the system collapses into a contradiction for nonexistant ideas. Therefore, everybody and nobody is a terrorist at the same time; the two words mean the exact same thing when applied to things like this. A bit weird, I know, but then again, dealing with non-absolute ideas is always a strange experience. :D

 

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Exactly, but that also means that everyone is terrorist. Remember that an idea cannot really exist without its counterpart, and the system collapses into a contradiction for nonexistant ideas. Therefore, everybody and nobody is a terrorist at the same time; the two words mean the exact same thing when applied to things like this. A bit weird, I know, but then again, dealing with non-absolute ideas is always a strange experience. :D


Damn it. You're right. :blah:

But I was too. So we can call it quits. :D

 

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okay, sounds good. :D

going back to the math now... :nervous:

 

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There are plenty more things to argue about but I must say that just for the sake of argument the mathematical/logical approach to debate is the most defensible and easy. That doesn't necessarily mean I believe in it as a method of government...yet... ;)

 

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You have a new system of argument that "works" but isn't logical? Let's give it a try. :D

 

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You have a new system of argument that "works" but isn't logical? Let's give it a try. :D


Yes yes...I'm just not willing to accept some of your more radical views about society and about terrorism, etc. I guess the terrorism is what I have the biggest logical problem about, to come back to the original meaning of the thread.

Maybe though I'm just in sway to all of the traditional and conservative elements of society. :p

 

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Yes yes...I'm just not willing to accept some of your more radical views about society and about terrorism, etc. I guess the terrorism is what I have the biggest logical problem about, to come back to the original meaning of the thread.


That is fine, but you have not said why yet. :p :D

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Maybe though I'm just in sway to all of the traditional and conservative elements of society. :p


I think the resistance to change for its own sake might getting to you; try turning into a radical guy. :D

On a side note, have you happened to have heard of a guy named Theodore Kazcynski, also known as the "Unabomber?" He somehow published a new article from jail a few days ago: I thought it was pretty funny. :D (there is a copy here http://www.panix.com/~clays/Una/ )
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by "the palistinians" I was refering to those invoved in hostilities, wich would be those involved in (I know I am going to butcher the spelling, but who cares) Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbola, Al Oqsa Marters brigade, ect...
people who would dress there three month old childeren in a marters uniform is included
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people who would dress there three month old childeren in a marters uniform is included


They actually showed that pic to the "outside" world?!? Wow - I'm impressed! What news agency carried it?
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They actually showed that pic to the "outside" world?!? Wow - I'm impressed! What news agency carried it?


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I saw it on fox news, a lot, for a while anyway
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True, killing isnt the answer.  Put them in prison for the rest of they're lives, but setting out to kill them is just lowering youself to they're irrational (in general) standards.

We are talking about people who value death more than life.
Simply kiling them will actually give them what they want.
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We are talking about people who value death more than life.
Simply kiling them will actually give them what they want.


Yes but their death has to be an act of 'divine justice'. i.e. if you don't murder a whole bunch of civilians on the way out you don't get to heaven; That means you may as well kiss the dozen virgins and the Audi-TT that're supposed to be waiting for you goodbye.

What you really need to do is remove whoever it is that makes the bombers think it's worth it. It's simply brainwashing.

 

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That is fine, but you have not said why yet. :p :D


Partly this is because I don't yet really know why myself. Finding one's way to life-beliefs can take time and effort. :)

Part of what troubles me about your 'logical' perspective is its seeming incompatibility with human behaviour. Since emotions, as you say cannot be rationalized, mathematicized and predicted with certainty, they do not seem logical. Indeed, from a perspective of mathematical logic they would not seem to exist absolutely. However, they quite patently do exist IMO (although I'm sure that I'm making some kind of logical error there). Basically what I'm saying is that your applications of a logical viewpoint to human problems seem questionable given the inherently illogical nature of humanity.

Perhaps this is due to conflicting base views. From what I have read from you, your belief in the Universe and humans seems to be of determinism, biological psychology and so on - something which I disagree with on a base level (though I find it difficult to articulate due to the nature of the subject, and the fact that it's nearly midnight and I got up at 7AM this morning).

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I think the resistance to change for its own sake might [be?] getting to you; try turning into a radical guy. :D


Oh, don't get me wrong; I don't oppose all change - or do you mean that I oppose changes that happen not for a reason, but because they can? Anyway, I'm considered fairly radical though not in the directions that you are... ;)

Of course I want change - but I want it on my terms, like all other humans.

Oh, and the Unabomber article is an interesting read. "The Dangers of Leftism" indeed; I would like to see a comparative "Dangers of Rightism" analysis. :)

 

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They actually showed that pic to the "outside" world?!? Wow - I'm impressed! What news agency carried it?


It was in all the papers too.
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The English had a good plan with their penal colony idea. Take the dangerous element out of society, and make it almost impossible to get back.
Unfortunately, combined with a bit of oppression, it led to many innocent and semi-innocent people being taken out of their homes. Which is why I probably have a lot of relatives in Georgia and Australia....
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All I have to say is this:
The English had a good plan with their penal colony idea. Take the dangerous element out of society, and make it almost impossible to get back.
Unfortunately, combined with a bit of oppression, it led to many innocent and semi-innocent people being taken out of their homes. Which is why I probably have a lot of relatives in Georgia and Australia....


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