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Offline FlamingCobra

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FlamingMamba shares his opinions on FS1 and 2
I'm sure I'll be branded a heretic for this, but I have to say it. I like FS1 more than FS2. I don't like many of FS2's new ship designs. It's not that they aren't good ships, it's just that I don't like the way they look. I actually like the new Vasudan ship designs. But I don't like the FS2's Terran ships so much, and I think FS2's new Shivan ships are utterly awful and ugly-looking. I much prefer FS1's music to FS2's. It has a very military-scifi feel to it, which really fits the tone and atmosphere of FS1. And it kind of reminds me of Stargate SG-1 for some reason. That feel is completely gone in FS2.

And while I do think the introduction of beams was a good move for the series, I think they are used far too frequently.

Kinda drunk right now and I can't think of anything else to say. I'll leave it at that.

EDIT: I just want to say that I even like FS1's HUD better than FS2's. I think it's smoother and more aesthetically pleasing.
« Last Edit: May 24, 2016, 10:25:14 pm by FlamingMamba »

 

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Re: FlamingMamba shares his opinions on FS1 and 2
Okay.
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Re: FlamingMamba shares his opinions on FS1 and 2
FS1 had better music and sound effects.
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Re: FlamingMamba shares his opinions on FS1 and 2
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Re: FlamingMamba shares his opinions on FS1 and 2
The Vasudan foothold on Vasuda Prime and the subspace node remains solid.

meanwhile, on the PVD Hope

The Terran outpost on Earth remains in place

 

Offline General Battuta

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Re: FlamingMamba shares his opinions on FS1 and 2
CB Stage 1
GTD Galatea
Betelgeuse System

Stage 1
Pilot Attend: Welcome to the GTD Galatea. Your first assignment as a part of the Galatea's crew is to stand the 3rd watch. You will patrol the area surrounding the GTC Orff. The GTC Orff suffered an engine breakdown in the Betelgeuse system, and is awaiting repairs. We are already in Betelgeuse, but we want to make sure you didn't get disoriented.

Stage 3
You will begin your watch by jumping to Betelgeuse near the GTC Orff. You will also be jumping from Betelgeuse, because we are in Betelgeuse, as we mentioned in the command briefing.

Stage 9
POP QUIZ. What system are you in, pilot?

 

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Re: FlamingMamba shares his opinions on FS1 and 2
Did someone say Betelgeuse three time?

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Re: FlamingMamba shares his opinions on FS1 and 2
I agree with bits of this. Actually, I agree with most of it; I just think FS2's atmosphere and writing outweigh the rest.

Yeah, FS1's ship design was better. FS2's isn't bad, but the first game just had more...inspiration? to it. I have to say I adore the Typhon. I like the Hatshepsut, too, but that's mostly just because of the MediaVP redesign. The original model was pretty much just two hunks of beige connected by a hunk of grey. (Although it was a decent design regardless.) (I'm getting off track.)

On the subject of Shivan craft: I personally find the second game's Shivan ships more visually appealing, but I think that, "objectively", they are more generic and less original. Second-incursion ships have all those spikes and things, which is pretty standard for evil death aliens, as opposed to the sort of blunt, squarish sensibilities of FS1-era Shivan ships, which probably had more artistic merit.

And yeah, I think FS1's music was marginally better, if only because of Spook. (I love Spook.) On the other hand, FS2 has Joshua (and Leviticus, to a lesser degree), but I think FS1 wins out overall.

It's just...the voice acting, and mission design, and writing. It never feels like anyone cares about any of this. "Yep, an unknown alien race just showed up and is now seeking our extinction with invincibility shields and weapons we've never seen before. Yawn."

(The exception is the opening cutscene, which is awesome.)

 
Re: FlamingMamba shares his opinions on FS1 and 2
freespace 1's sound effects are utter ****

sometimes i wake up in a cold sweat hearing that hull impact sound
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Offline Spoon

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Re: FlamingMamba shares his opinions on FS1 and 2
On the subject of Shivan craft: I personally find the second game's Shivan ships more visually appealing, but I think that, "objectively", they are more generic and less original. Second-incursion ships have all those spikes and things, which is pretty standard for evil death aliens, as opposed to the sort of blunt, squarish sensibilities of FS1-era Shivan ships, which probably had more artistic merit.
I "objectively" say your opinion is wrong. The squarish sensibilities of FS1-era Shivan ships have "objectively" less 'artistic merit'.

Look man, you are entitled to your opinion. But don't try to pass it off as anything more than what it is: just your opinion and preference.

It's just...the voice acting, and mission design, and writing. It never feels like anyone cares about any of this. "Yep, an unknown alien race just showed up and is now seeking our extinction with invincibility shields and weapons we've never seen before. Yawn."
Yeah, like absolutely nobody here cares about such trivial things. And nobody has brought these subjects up in the past. You are the first! Congratulations!

CB Stage 1
GTD Galatea
Betelgeuse System

Stage 1
Pilot Attend: Welcome to the GTD Galatea. Your first assignment as a part of the Galatea's crew is to stand the 3rd watch. You will patrol the area surrounding the GTC Orff. The GTC Orff suffered an engine breakdown in the Betelgeuse system, and is awaiting repairs. We are already in Betelgeuse, but we want to make sure you didn't get disoriented.

Stage 3
You will begin your watch by jumping to Betelgeuse near the GTC Orff. You will also be jumping from Betelgeuse, because we are in Betelgeuse, as we mentioned in the command briefing.

Stage 9
POP QUIZ. What system are you in, pilot?
Please write the next BP chapter like this.

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[02:42] <@Axem> spoon somethings wrong
[02:42] <@Axem> critically wrong
[02:42] <@Axem> im happy with these missions now
[02:44] <@Axem> well
[02:44] <@Axem> with 2 of them

 
Re: FlamingMamba shares his opinions on FS1 and 2
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I "objectively" say your opinion is wrong. The squarish sensibilities of FS1-era Shivan ships have "objectively" less 'artistic merit'.

Look man, you are entitled to your opinion. But don't try to pass it off as anything more than what it is: just your opinion and preference.

Well, yeah. That's why I put it in quotation marks. It's not actually objective because there's no such thing in this context. I just needed some way of distinguishing my thoughts on which was more original from the one I actually liked better. Honestly, I didn't realize I was saying anything particularly contentious.

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Yeah, like absolutely nobody here cares about such trivial things. And nobody has brought these subjects up in the past. You are the first! Congratulations!

Ah, I think you misunderstood. I was saying that nobody in Freespace 1 seems to care about the Shivan invasion or their impending doom.

Dunno why you're being so confrontational, but I wish you'd stop. You have a lot more prestige here than I do, and I'd rather not end up getting ostracized or banned because you decided you had a bone to pick.

 

Offline NGTM-1R

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Re: FlamingMamba shares his opinions on FS1 and 2
sometimes i wake up in a cold sweat hearing that hull impact sound

This would seem to go against your argument.
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Re: FlamingMamba shares his opinions on FS1 and 2
Well, yeah. That's why I put it in quotation marks. It's not actually objective because there's no such thing in this context. I just needed some way of distinguishing my thoughts on which was more original from the one I actually liked better. Honestly, I didn't realize I was saying anything particularly contentious.
Not so much contentious as pretentious.
Mostly the part that the blocky designs of FS1 somehow have more 'artistic merit' than the spikey designs of FS2.

Ah, I think you misunderstood. I was saying that nobody in Freespace 1 seems to care about the Shivan invasion or their impending doom.
In my defense, the way you wrote that sentence, you didn't made it very clear you meant the people in the freespace universe, as opposed to people here on this forum.

Dunno why you're being so confrontational, but I wish you'd stop. You have a lot more prestige here than I do, and I'd rather not end up getting ostracized or banned because you decided you had a bone to pick.
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The staff here may have had a record of questional moderating actions, but nobody is going to ban you over any of this. That would be beyond silly.
And prestige means nothing.
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[02:42] <@Axem> spoon somethings wrong
[02:42] <@Axem> critically wrong
[02:42] <@Axem> im happy with these missions now
[02:44] <@Axem> well
[02:44] <@Axem> with 2 of them

 

Offline Lorric

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Re: FlamingMamba shares his opinions on FS1 and 2
There have been occasions where certain people have claimed to be objectively right about subjective matters and been hostile to those who disagree. It has ruffled feathers.

 

Offline Luis Dias

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Re: FlamingMamba shares his opinions on FS1 and 2
What is this, a thread about fs1 vs fs2? For christ sakes, this is [current year]!!


On topic though, I think I've only played FS1 once. The GTC Orff mission put me off the other 20 times "oh I remember now, it was like this..."

 

Offline Lorric

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Re: FlamingMamba shares his opinions on FS1 and 2
I prefer FS1 to FS2. Always have. I've been over why before. Mainly it's about how the game plays. But I also much prefer the FS1 music which I don't think I ever brought up.

 
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Not so much contentious as pretentious.
Mostly the part that the blocky designs of FS1 somehow have more 'artistic merit' than the spikey designs of FS2.

Oh, okay. That makes sense.

I think the word I was looking for was "unique", but for some reason it didn't jump to mind. Really, I think it's just that I'm mildly uncomfortable with the fact that I like the more "generic" spiky designs more than the "unique" blocky ones. Because liking generic things is bad and makes me a plebeian or something, I guess?

Or maybe it's just a holdover from discussions about the daedric armor in Morrowind versus Skyrim.

 

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Unless you are aiming to be some kind of grand hipster, you should probably like the thinks you like and don't feel bad about doing so, even if it's generic and mainstream and all sorts of other horrible words.  :p
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[02:42] <@Axem> critically wrong
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[02:44] <@Axem> well
[02:44] <@Axem> with 2 of them

 

Offline General Battuta

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Re: FlamingMamba shares his opinions on FS1 and 2
Well, yeah. That's why I put it in quotation marks. It's not actually objective because there's no such thing in this context. I just needed some way of distinguishing my thoughts on which was more original from the one I actually liked better. Honestly, I didn't realize I was saying anything particularly contentious.

FS1's prose and plot writing is Objectively Bad, and I do mean Objectively. I bet it has lower kolmogorov complexity. I bet alien archaeologists could mathematically analyze these stories and detect FS2's superiority.

(i am agreeing with you here)

 

Offline General Battuta

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Two foes must learn to overcome their differences when a true nightmare attacks. Only an ancient manuscript can name the single weakness in the otherwise invincible enemy. We must disable the enemy mothership's shields.

(i actually think fs1's ending, plot wise, is pretty good)