[Kellan]

Originally posted by aldo_14


Well, if that sort of thing sold well - I'd have an album.

Exactly. If you could release music like that and it would be called "good", what would the Coldplays of this world bother for?

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Kellan


Exactly. If you could release music like that and it would be called "good", what would the Coldplays of this world bother for?

Mind you.... I'd rather have that than another bloody pop group album.  Or another series of Pish...sorry, Pop... Idol.

[Martinus]

Originally posted by Kellan


Okay, I followed you all along - but what I meant was that although there is good music that you don't particularly like, like rap (and face it, there are some good rap artists out there who put effort in, use imagination etc) - there are also people who make bad music.

There's a difference between music you don't like because you don't like it, and music you don't like because it is genuinely, technically bad - as in, dashed off in a few minutes with none of the thought, imagination and effort that others take.

I guess the nose flute analogy was a bad one. It would take some effort to play it, and if Coldplay could do it with skill, then yes, they're "experimenting" and this is good. However, if their next album was 8 tracks, 10 seconds long each of a single chord guitar strum, it would be bad.

Well as I see it anyone who likes a band that has no techincal ability isn't really in it for the technical side of it anyway. People don't listen to techno because it's technically brilliant (well a minority of it is) they listen because it excites them or makes them feel good, same as with other genres like boybands/girlbands. At the other end of the spectrum you've got the likes of Steve Vai, he's possibly one of the most technically gifted guitarists on the planet but I can't listen to his non stop soloing and it's the same with other people.

Music is many things to many people, you can't merit it on technical ability alone. I listen to lots of music that other people consider crap just for the feelgood factor or because it's novel or just because it's funny. (God bless you weird Al)

[beatspete]

...Hmmm, lets see.

Just becuase someone somewhere likes a band or artist, it doesnt really make that band good.  As mentioned before, people like bands for things other than music, i'm sure most teenage girls are mostly more intrested in the bands members.  
Other people just listen to certain music because they think it looks cool, ie white people listening to rap music.
Not that there's anything wrong with some rap music.  Some of it is quite funky, and i listen to it.
What makes a bad record/band, in my opinion, is people who aren't doing anything different.  A lot of pop bands do this, they recycle old material and stick to the same formula with some lame vocals over the top.  However, a band who does things new, who stears where they're genre goes in the future, and is always putting out inovative music, is a creative band, and healthy for music in general.

[Martinus]

Originally posted by beatspete
...Hmmm, lets see.

Just becuase someone somewhere likes a band or artist, it doesnt really make that band good.  As mentioned before, people like bands for things other than music, i'm sure most teenage girls are mostly more intrested in the bands members.  
Other people just listen to certain music because they think it looks cool, ie white people listening to rap music.
Not that there's anything wrong with some rap music.  Some of it is quite funky, and i listen to it.
What makes a bad record/band, in my opinion, is people who aren't doing anything different.  A lot of pop bands do this, they recycle old material and stick to the same formula with some lame vocals over the top.  However, a band who does things new, who stears where they're genre goes in the future, and is always putting out inovative music, is a creative band, and healthy for music in general.

Oh I'm all for innovation don't get me wrong but I can also identify with those people who just like a certain type of music. You can claim that people are just recycling old material but the public are buying it, sure some of it advertises a fashionable lifestyle but a lot of people genuinely like the new Oasis album for example, even though they have made absolutely no evolution in their material at all.

One of my favourite bands ACDC has kept going with the same formula for years, I still listen to them and would rate it as good music.


I'm a little idealistic anyway so I often try to see things in the best light so my theories may get influenced by how I see the situation.