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Re: PUBLIC BETA: Knossos 0.12.2 (combined launcher/installer)
@Andreas Rybak: As others pointed out, that's a problem with the dependencies set by the involved mods. I'll write up some guidelines for mod devs to prevent these issues in the future. However, the rule of thumb is: Allow newer versions only for FSO and not for other dependencies and always select an exect version for those.

@deathspeed: At this point, there are only a few bugs and one missing feature left until I'd call Knossos "stable". It'll probably take a while for that to get implemented but Knossos should be stable enough for daily use at this point. It's just not complete.

In case anyone's wondering about the critical error which still affects some people: I haven't been able to reproduce the issue myself and I can't find it among the other automated error reports. If anyone is able to reproduce it, please press Win+R and enter %appdata%\knossos\log.txt and upload it here or on Discord. Knossos clears that log on every start so make sure that you don't restart Knossos between seeing the error and uploading the log. You can open the file by other means as well but I guess this is the fastest (and easiest) way.

 
Re: PUBLIC BETA: Knossos 0.12.2 (combined launcher/installer)
Here is the log from critical error.
This was when trying to update MediaVP.

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INFO:MainThread:launcher.main: Running Knossos 0.12.2 on PyQt5 and Python 3.6.6 (v3.6.6:4cf1f54eb7, Jun 27 2018, 02:47:15) [MSC v.1900 32 bit (Intel)].
INFO:MainThread:launcher.main: OpenSSL version: OpenSSL 1.0.2o  27 Mar 2018
INFO:MainThread:integration.init: Activating Windows integration...
WARNING:Thread-10:repo.add_mod: Mod <Mod "FSO" 3.8.1-20180725 (FSO)> is empty, ignoring it!
ERROR:MainThread:launcher.my_excepthook: UNCAUGHT EXCEPTION!
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "C:\knossos\knossos\windows.py", line 794, in install
  File "C:\knossos\knossos\tasks.py", line 927, in __init__
AttributeError: 'Mod' object has no attribute 'dev_mode'
« Last Edit: August 14, 2018, 08:48:57 pm by hirmuolio »

 

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INFO:MainThread:launcher.main: Running Knossos 0.12.2 on PyQt5 and Python 3.6.6 (v3.6.6:4cf1f54eb7, Jun 27 2018, 02:47:15) [MSC v.1900 32 bit (Intel)].
INFO:MainThread:launcher.main: OpenSSL version: OpenSSL 1.0.2o  27 Mar 2018
INFO:MainThread:integration.init: Activating Windows integration...
WARNING:Thread-6:repo.add_mod: Mod <Mod "FSO" 3.8.1-20180725 (FSO)> is empty, ignoring it!
WARNING:Thread-14:repo.query: Repo.query(): Expected Spec but got Version instead! (Version('3.8.0-3', partial=True))
INFO:Thread-10:util.download: Downloading "https://fsnebula.global.ssl.fastly.net/storage/72/a5/316d08a743a35dc144284b9fb9a466ee259e0b22756cd2a032986951527e.png"...
INFO:Thread-10:util.download: Downloading "https://fsnebula.global.ssl.fastly.net/storage/a7/ef/48f47a06031b010b7acf9ca2d5dececb7af9177ee72f7ba5a7a0288f205a.png"...
INFO:Thread-1:util.download: Downloading "https://porphyrion.feralhosting.com/datacorder/nebula/24/5d/8ffd571bd7453769cc55482fb3eb72602086c2da3668aa3b5579440b5ad5"...
INFO:Thread-4:util.download: Downloading "https://cf.fsnebula.org/storage/28/ac/236ff8d2ed0ecb86ff1879e4cc76de469326464973f915d5c4b2942b74ea"...
INFO:Thread-10:util.download: Downloading "https://cf.fsnebula.org/storage/45/41/8e0cf2c98ab621bd931ead1755da73ed545574bd6dff6cf3f79a9538906c"...
INFO:Thread-9:util.download: Downloading "https://porphyrion.feralhosting.com/datacorder/nebula/75/04/92c49e1e228c093f2ac4aa6cea6f0caf010a83f548415f33dc3e5a687802"...
INFO:Thread-2:util.download: Downloading "https://fsnebula.org/storage/32/7a/23e37b8e4614c9d96d12b1cd47608a5f8c94f0cf768851e9d0966b7bbfb8"...
INFO:Thread-5:util.download: Downloading "https://fsnebula.org/storage/7e/5a/345b8145e6598d2e53a9e838706db0dc645d4d0ecf1312a73d142cf6d8d0"...
INFO:Thread-7:util.download: Downloading "https://fsnebula.org/storage/47/35/00db5982a595315870d97251b815fc3b3ed200a346d16a77880ed2c5bf02"...
INFO:Thread-8:util.download: Downloading "https://cf.fsnebula.org/storage/3a/49/693b3bb8f9c4337871f217de44ce2c8582f8b4a7f371c787af63ee60a820"...
INFO:Thread-6:util.download: Downloading "https://cf.fsnebula.org/storage/2b/9a/7617fd8dd91d4d8ca859586faab8c594bcab0136458e4d5136b3590cc52b"...
ERROR:MainThread:launcher.my_excepthook: UNCAUGHT EXCEPTION!
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "C:\knossos\knossos\windows.py", line 794, in install
  File "C:\knossos\knossos\tasks.py", line 927, in __init__
AttributeError: 'Mod' object has no attribute 'dev_mode'
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Re: PUBLIC BETA: Knossos 0.12.3 (combined launcher/installer)
Thanks, that helped a lot!

Knossos 0.12.3 has been released. It should finally fix the update error as well as a problem with mod installations on case-sensitive filesystems.

 
Re: PUBLIC BETA: Knossos 0.12.3 (combined launcher/installer)
Some issues with Neo-Terra Victorious. I get a ridiculous amount of errors when starting the campaign - 987. On startup, before the opening cutscene even shows, I also get multiple errors relating to parselo.cpp for it, Shadow Genesis, Titan Rebellion, and several other campaigns too.
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Re: PUBLIC BETA: Knossos 0.12.3 (combined launcher/installer)
Some issues with Neo-Terra Victorious. I get a ridiculous amount of errors when starting the campaign - 987. On startup, before the opening cutscene even shows, I also get multiple errors relating to parselo.cpp for it, Shadow Genesis, Titan Rebellion, and several other campaigns too.

These are going to be errors with the campaigns and not really Knossos. These need to get to the mod author.

@ngld; perhaps we should think more seriously about a "report mod issue" button that sends an email or something to the mod author.
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Re: PUBLIC BETA: Knossos 0.12.3 (combined launcher/installer)

 
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Missing mods? on: August 16, 2018, 09:28:49 pm
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Hi there, me again!

During my Knossos binge I noticed that several mods no longer appear in the 'explore' window. These were English and German language upgrades to FSPort/FS1, Silent Threat Reborn and I think one other. Any idea what happened to them? Was there a problem with them?

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Re: PUBLIC BETA: Knossos 0.12.3 (combined launcher/installer)
The mods were removed by the same person who uploaded them. I think most (if not all) of the mods you mentioned were uploaded by Novachen. You'll have to ask her why she removed them.

Regarding the other thread you posted: The error message is a bit misleading. The problem there is that Knossos detected a dependency conflict which it couldn't resolve and thus can't proceed with the installation. In that case it was probably caused by the new MediaVPs release. Usually the situation looks like this: A mod requires both Blue Planet: Complete and the MediaVPs. Blue Planet: Complete wants FSO 3.8.0-2 and the latest version of the MediaVPs wants a recent nightly. Knossos can't find a version of FSO which matches these conditions (since it's impossible) and thus reports that FSO is missing.

I've already thought about implementing a better dependency resolver. If Knossos could determine that an older version of the MediaVPs (3.7.2 instead of 3.8.1) would resolve the conflict, it could use that instead. However, once you start implementing this as an algorithm you'll quickly notice that it becomes VERY complicated since it's a recursive problem (each mod version can have different dependencies thus the version you select for one dependency can affect other dependencies).

 

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Re: PUBLIC BETA: Knossos 0.12.3 (combined launcher/installer)
FYI Captains has been fixed :-)

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Re: PUBLIC BETA: Knossos 0.12.3 (combined launcher/installer)
Running mediavps makes cutscenes not play, help.

 

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Re: PUBLIC BETA: Knossos 0.12.3 (combined launcher/installer)


You can choose the directory where the mods are installed. In fact, people really shouldn't use C:\Program Files for that since it complicates a few things. Please note that this directory is separate from the location where Knossos is installed. You can select both, one during installation and the other on first run. You should also use a new directory since Knossos has a different directory structure. It will copy the retail VPs from your old directory if you point Knossos towards it when it asks you to.



Regarding the bold text above, you mean the Knossos "data path" under Settings should be separate from my existing installation, right? 
So I have the the Knossos folder (E:\Program Files (x86)\Knossos), my existing folder (E:\games\FreeSpace2), and I will create a new folder for Knossos downloads?
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Re: PUBLIC BETA: Knossos 0.12.3 (combined launcher/installer)


You can choose the directory where the mods are installed. In fact, people really shouldn't use C:\Program Files for that since it complicates a few things. Please note that this directory is separate from the location where Knossos is installed. You can select both, one during installation and the other on first run. You should also use a new directory since Knossos has a different directory structure. It will copy the retail VPs from your old directory if you point Knossos towards it when it asks you to.



Regarding the bold text above, you mean the Knossos "data path" under Settings should be separate from my existing installation, right? 
So I have the the Knossos folder (E:\Program Files (x86)\Knossos), my existing folder (E:\games\FreeSpace2), and I will create a new folder for Knossos downloads?
Thanks!

Correct - the knossos downloads dir could be something like E:\games\FS2Knossos
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Re: PUBLIC BETA: Knossos 0.12.3 (combined launcher/installer)
@SamVision: Please post your fs2_open.log file.  Instructions on how to do this can be found in this post.

@deathspeed: Exactly. :)

 
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Re: PUBLIC BETA: Knossos 0.12.3 (combined launcher/installer)
That's a known issue with the latest FSO nightlies and is not a Knossos bug.  See https://github.com/scp-fs2open/fs2open.github.com/issues/1828.
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Re: PUBLIC BETA: Knossos 0.12.3 (combined launcher/installer)
In the meantime if you just want to play you can move the .MVE cutscenes to a different location - FSO won't crash but obviously you don't get any cutscenes either. You could also download and install the ogg cutscenes as well, but the only link I found is on the now-dead fsmods website. 

I recall someone saying there was a mirror/dump of fsmods somewhere - can anyone provide a link to it?
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Re: PUBLIC BETA: Knossos 0.12.3 (combined launcher/installer)
There are on FreeSpace Files too.
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Re: PUBLIC BETA: Knossos 0.12.3 (combined launcher/installer)
I got the .OGG cutscenes, works fine now thank you.

 

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Re: PUBLIC BETA: Knossos 0.12.3 (combined launcher/installer)
I just installed Knossos on my second PC to do some stuff for TBP and I'm not sure I like the wording of the install FS2 screen for Knossos. For those who only want to play a total conversion like TBP or Diaspora, it does very much look like FS2 is necessary. Those people might never have even heard of FS2, they'll have been promised a free game based on a TV show or film they really like and then the first thing they see when they install Knossos is a request to install / buy something called FS2. It looks a little like we lied to them and are maybe even making money off of selling FS2. For both Beyond the Red Line and later with Diaspora we found that the biggest obstacle to getting players were people who thought you needed FS2 to play the game. We'd often see our games getting mentioned on a website and the first comment being "This looks great, but I don't have a copy of Freespace 2 so I'm going to pass". Yeah, they'd be someone further down who would correct them but it's hard to not believe that it lost us a few users. It only takes one person angrily saying that they uninstalled it because we're trying to scam them into paying for FS2 to lose a lot of people.

We're also going to get people who want to play Fate of the Galaxy, download Knossos and then realise they don't have FS2 installed, can't find the CDs, etc, and then decide not to continue even though they didn't need it. There are a lot of people out there who loved FS2 and haven't played it in years. TCs can get them interested in the game again but we shouldn't make them feel like they have to dig out their copy of FS2 if they came for TBP or Diaspora.


Instead, before the screen talking about FS2 we could have one with two options. The first one is just screenshots/logos from Fate of the Galaxy, Diaspora, TBP etc and says "I'm just here for the Free stuff" and the other one has a picture of those games and a big one of FS2 and says "I have Freespace 2 / want to buy it. Give me everything!" We can have a more detailed explanation below the pictures of course but the idea is to make it easy for people to pick the correct option. If someone selects the first one, it just skips the FS2 install bit. Knossos still makes it possible to install FS2 if you buy it later so that isn't too much of a problem if someone later decides to buy it.

I really love Knossos and kudos to all of those who have put lots of work into it. I think it works great for the community, but it isn't as simple as it could be for outsiders, especially the audience we're hoping to reach when big TCs like Diaspora or Fate of the Galaxy have a release.
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Re: PUBLIC BETA: Knossos 0.12.3 (combined launcher/installer)
Hmm, i thought that's kinda what we did already... apparently not. I haven't seen the install screens since we originally built them.

Anyway.. I was annoyed that you felt you needed two long paragraphs to convince us. :p  No argument here, we just didn't think to do it that way.
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