[Vertigo1]

http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/09/05/germany.osama/index.html

If you ask me, those two should be forcibly neutered with the dullest rusty blade there is, and then immediately dunked in the dead sea.  Then take away the child for its own good.

[Stryke 9]

Yeah, let's kill those bastards! How DARE they express their political beliefs! They should force them to change the baby's name to, I dunno, George Washington!

Geez, it's people expressing beliefs like this which screws up the whole concept of freedom to express beliefs! If only they'd start worshiping those local heroes we happen to like at the moment!

[Vertigo1]

Originally posted by Stryke 9
Yeah, let's kill those bastards! How DARE they express their political beliefs! They should force them to change the baby's name to, I dunno, George Washington!

Geez, it's people expressing beliefs like this which screws up the whole concept of freedom to express beliefs! If only they'd start worshiping those local heroes we happen to like at the moment!

Thats not the point and you know it.  They're trying to name their child after a frelling MURDERER!  Do you realize what that child would go through if that were to happen?  Do you have any IDEA what the poor kid would put up with, if he even survives, later in life?

[Tiara]

Originally posted by MD-2389


Thats not the point and you know it.  They're trying to name their child after a frelling MURDERER!  Do you realize what that child would go through if that were to happen?  Do you have any IDEA what the poor kid would put up with, if he even survives, later in life?

The kid would be dead before his 10th... I don't mind them expressing their political beliefs (Although I REALLY don't agree with them) but the shouldn't force it on someone else. Especially their own children....

But I guess its their way of life... Its sad to see that ppl on this world still force their beliefes on someone else...

[Kamikaze]

Originally posted by MD-2389


Thats not the point and you know it.  They're trying to name their child after a frelling MURDERER!  Do you realize what that child would go through if that were to happen?  Do you have any IDEA what the poor kid would put up with, if he even survives, later in life?

unfortunately children do not have much freedom (i.e. much of the child's self is decided by adults, at least in early age) anyway so in this case I think the parents have the right to name the baby that.

And on a different note, if I named my child "Adolf" or even "William" is that a problem to you? I'm sure there's been a murderer named william before. How about YOU, is your name the name of some murderer? Who cares anyway, any mature twit would know that names are hardly worth any value as far as mental/emotional obligation/mindset goes...

I commend theese people for being bold about their erm... beliefs... but just use a dog or something instead of their children, gawd

[Stryke 9]

What makes you think the child won't share his parents' views? It's a rare kid who doesn't, PARTICULARLY when the parents are fringers.

Kid might get some **** from other kids. So? Some kid always ends up being the one who gets to get the **** kicked out of him. You might as well say it's inhuman cruelty for a parent to name a kid something like "Gustavus", or (particularly) to teach the kid to like to read more than to play some stupid sport.

Anyway. It's the parents' business how they wanna raise their kid, and theirs alone, until the kid's old enough to get a say in the matter. So sometimes people raise children in odd ways. So? What are you gonna do about it? Government regulation of the family is an infinitely greater evil than ANYTHING that a parent can do if they can do anything they want.

[Star Dragon]

I was named after "William" the conquerer, got a problem with dat?

   Know what's worse? Having the same first name as a Shivan... I mean really, what were my parents thinking?

  Carl "William" Crocker...???



No offense Carl...

[Kazashi]

The big point of complaint with this case looks to be that they want to call the child "Osama bin Laden", rather than just sticking with something like Osama, or Adolf, or William. Millions of people aside from the notorious centers of attention have also used these names - however, it would be comparatively rare to find more than one "Osama bin Laden" combination, and the fact that it isn't a common name like James Smith leads to the overwhelming recognition between the afforementioned name and the terrorist himself. The same would be said if Mr. and Mrs. Hitler named their son Adolf, or if Mr. and Mrs. Conquerer named their son William


Enough babble from me tonight....

[an0n]

*points out the name Lucy*

I think calling your kid 'Osama Bin Laden Supreme Leader Of The World Most Infamous Terrorist Group Smith' is relative tame compared to naming your child after Satan.

They're trying to name their child after a frelling MURDERER

I take it that you've seen him actually kill someone then?

And also, it's times like these when the bible can enlighten us on such issues:
Judge lest ye be judged.

Or in plain, modern English: Not your job to tell people what's right and wrong. If you do, expect God to **** you up.

[Fineus]

Assuming there is a God of course...

I'm against them doing this, but not because of the name - it's only a name. However the child will have to live with that name for the rest of its life, unless it changes it of course.

Thus the parents should be allowed to call the kid what they like - but if it affects the kid (which this will) that's different.

[Styxx]

Pfft, names. Just give the damn kid a number, tattoo it as a barcode on his neck for reference, and you're done.

[JC Denton]

I dunno Styxx...I wouldn't be too keen on going through life being called "THX-1138" or "TK-421" or something...

[ShadowWolf_IH]

Didn't we track some of his supporters to germany a year ago?  While i think this is deplorable, they have different views.  They are obviously supporters of osama.  Whether that support is direct, or simply beleifs.  If that support is direct, it will be uncovered and they will be dealt with.  If it is a matter of them beleiving in what he is doing.....you have to remember that the world of islam sees us as their great devil.  We stand with israel.  This isn't a war over borders, it's a holy war.  While i am thoroughly disgusted and as enraged as any other who saw the towers collapse, if we think about it logically, he attacked us in a manner that was nearly military.  He was meaning to cripple the US.  

1.  Throw us into economic turmoil.  (WTC)
2.  take out our military leaders (Pentagon)
3.  Take out our upper levels of government (capitol building)

The fourth plane was more than likely heading to the capitol building, congress, both houses, were in session that morning.

Once again i can think of worse fates for him than the CIA can, but i have a hard time seeing this as an act of terror.  It wasn't meant to scare the United States or her people, it was meant to cripple us as a nation.  That makes it an act of war.  We call it terrorism because it wasn't purpetrated by a government.  Has anyone thought that maybe our own people who threw tea into Boston harbor were considered terrorists by King George III?  

Some people will view him as a revolutionary.  Some will see him as a hero.  That's thier perogative.  I see him as an enemy.  Yes he is a terrorist.  99% of his targets are civilians.  Outside of a few other ops, he doesn't normally pull anything that can be remotely considered Military in nature, as far as war goes.  

As far as naming the child goes.  They think they are naming him after a hero.  And reguardless what we feel, Osama is a hero to those people.  Much as it pains me to admit it.

If i have offended anyone i will apologize now.  But this country was founded on freedom.  That tolerance has bitten us a few times, but we cannot foresake our foundations or our beliefs because of what one small group has done.  While i may disagree with them naming the child Osama bin Laden, i can be glad that they don't live in America, where they would be able to just do it.

[Mad Bomber]

And yet they choose to ignore the fact that the Quran specifically bans violence against civilians... horrible, just horrible...

I could understand if they wanted to name him Osama, for whatever reason, but the Bin Laden part is overkill, even for extremists.

[wEvil]

At the rate the western world is ramming its own head up its arse I'm starting to think a few bombs going off here and there is a good thing.

[wEvil]

Oh it was in Germany...

well, you know how totally paranoid they are about violence over there anyway.

Cant display a game with blood on the counter....bah.

[an0n]

Originally posted by Styxx
Pfft, names. Just give the damn kid a number, tattoo it as a barcode on his neck for reference, and you're done.

Mmmmmm. Alba. They should actually tattoo data regarding the childs genetic make-up and any incurable virii onto it's back and update throughout it's life.

I wouldn't be too keen on going through life being called "THX-1138" or "TK-421" or something

THX-1138 kicks ass. And just think, there'd be one kid called AK-47 and another called B-52. That would be soooooo cool.

And yet they choose to ignore the fact that the Quran specifically bans violence against civilians... horrible, just horrible...

So. The bible bans homosexuality.

[wEvil]

Originally posted by an0n

So. The bible bans homosexuality.

[Zeronet]

Originally posted by wEvil
At the rate the western world is ramming its own head up its arse I'm starting to think a few bombs going off here and there is a good thing.

[wEvil]

Originally posted by Zeronet

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