[an0n]

Originally posted by Styxx
* points at an0n and laughs *

"Haha, that's a comically amusing idea."
Or
"Haha, you're going to die of typhoid or be shot for inciting a rebellion."
???

[beatspete]

World Goverment?  I suppose the current countries would become more like states are today in america.  I suppose its a good idea... although would you really be willing to give up your taxes (living a a richer part of the world i assume) to help poorer 'areas'?  You already do to an extent, through foreign aid, but think, if say 500 million people these days are 'rich enough', then they still have to pay for the other 5,500million on the planet.  Budgets for schools, healthcare, roads, etc would be reduced by about 83% to maintain equal levels of funding around the world, since most poorer areas couldnt afford to pay for such things.
I cant see how the poor and the rich could live under one goverment. Look at the difference between the richest and the poorest in a developed country, its huge, rich earning, what? 100 times more than the poor?  And current goverments have trouble reducing that gap.  What is that gap like going to be like on a global scale?  Whats the average wage in america theses days, $33000?... compaired to your average tribes member in africa who earns pennys.

Wont work.



...although, if it did i wouldnt like America to govern it.  A democracy, fair enough.  Just not america.  Some one with experience in dealling with lots of collonies and a large empire.. say, oh, Britain?

[Styxx]

Originally posted by an0n
"Haha, that's a comically amusing idea."
Or
"Haha, you're going to die of typhoid or be shot for inciting a rebellion."
???

Erm... both.

[Top Gun]

The USA is a land of opportunity and freedom if you happen to be a white, christian, male with money, aged between 21 and 70.



Reasons I can't stand Bush:

• Abstinence only education (read: propaganda) in schools.
  
  
  
• Puritencial stance with all social issues.
  
  
  
• War on drugs (which is kind of hypocritical for a reformed drunk, which is probably what happened to his brain cells).
  
  
  
• War on terror (read: freedom)
  
  
  
• The Appointment of John Ashcroft as Attourney General: A racist fanatical bigot who makes Osama Bin Laden look rational.
  
  
  
• Banging on about a lack of fair elections in Cuba (and using that as justification for a blockade against them) whilst his own election was controversial.
  
  
  
• The only reason he's there is because of daddy's money (who was influencial because of daddy's money and so on)
  
  
  
• A complete and utter contempt for the common man and the public services which are essential for us that aren't multi millionaires.
  
  
  
• Kyoto.
  
  
  
• Exploitive foregn policy.

P.S. CP: I'm not an American, christian male, aged between 21 and 70 with money, born into an influencial so it's in my interest to hate that retard along with most of the rest of the worls's population.

[Warlock]

Originally posted by Top Gun
The USA is a land of opportunity and freedom if you happen to be a white, christian, male with money, aged between 21 and 70.
 

Ummmm this pretty much proves you're not an american.

I know many successful ppl that are different ethnic, religious and finacial backgrounds. I know just as many of us White Christian Males that don't have $800 in a bank account at the same time.

What should success and a higher lifestyle be handed to everyone?

Not against you personally ,... but I see of folks that whine about that same thing yet they will NOT get off their asses and work towards a goal in life.

Hell   lol  Caucasion, Christian males are the LEAST "free" ,... look at the 101 "freedom" groups .... Every ethnic background BUT Caucasion has it's own college fund and rights activists ... Then you have all the Gay and Lesbian groups for those lifestyles ,... then all the non-christian religious groups have their things. ....

So basically you're *****ing about the ONE grouping of ppl in this country that DON'T get a damned thing for free.


Sorry .... but that is something that's bugged the **** out of me ...seeing crap like this

[Knight Templar]

wow everyone save for the idiots are making sense in this thread

i have to say though

I'd rather live under the sea.

that's your solution to everytihng these days isn't it.. "let's live under the sea"

well i can't even vote and my life is too busy with school and stuff to really pay attention to politics... so it would just be ignorant of me to try t gorm any one sided opinion at this point.

just remember, every hi has it's lows...even the tallest mountain has a base just as low as everytihng else.

[RandomTiger]

In my opinion America is way too powerful already. What does it do with this power? Does it help save the environment? Does it help reduce poverty in 3rd world countries? Not last time I checked anyway.

Perhaps if America / the west was actually controlled by governments and not companies then the people would have a chance to keep them in check. But to be honest probably not.

Power corrupts,  Absolute Power corrupts absolutely.

[RandomTiger]

Originally posted by Warlock


You're right.... we should disolve all the finacial aid and good will assistance that goes over seas. Everytime we set up a new Disater Relief fund for another country .... we could use that money here at home.

Any benfits of handouts to poor countries are greatly outweighed by the fact that the west (ie American corperations) do not allow fair trade where under-developed countries have a chance of actually getting themselves out of poverty. All the rules are stacked against these countries making products in their countries and selling them, instead they are forced to sell the raw materials for pitifully low prices. The west then makes the product and takes all the money.

Good business sence, morally bankrupt however.

NO country is perfect. None ever will be. But if things here suck so much,... wtf do we have thousands of ppl immigrating into the country ...both legally and Illegally...daily ? ?

Everywhere else is so unstable because America and its enemies fight their battles through other countries.

ie

Israel (backed by USA) vs  Palestine (backed by Arab states and orginisations)

And once apon a time

Taliban (backed by America) vs Northern Alliance (backed by Russia)

Im not saying that America is repsonsable for starting the above problems (I believe if you go back far enough the UK has some things to answer for as far as Afganistan goes). I dont think Americans are bad people, I just think that most of them never see the awful things corperations do in America's name because they are done so quietly.

For one example check out my sig, then do some research and realise thats just one of hundreds of grievences against the US and its corperations.

[Grey Wolf]

Let's see, my 3 plans for world government:

1. Become rich and buy out all the rulers of the world.
2. Have the UN become a United Earth thing.
3. Move to Mars and nuke earth, and the one survivor will rule.

BTW, Creative's mixer is 1337. I transformed 2 stereo speaker systems into a surround sound system

[Solatar]

Originally posted by beatspete
I cant see how the poor and the rich could live under one goverment. Look at the difference between the richest and the poorest in a developed country, its huge, rich earning, what? 100 times more than the poor?  And current goverments have trouble reducing that gap.  What is that gap like going to be like on a global scale?  Whats the average wage in america theses days, $33000?... compaired to your average tribes member in africa who earns pennys.

If we had a GOOD world government, this wouldn't be a problem. After years of fixing up the world, we could all live in peace. Sure, we might not like it that much, but isn't our job to provide a BETTER world for the rest of the human race? If we sacrifice a little of our money, we can save millions of lives. If the world were under one government, within 50-100 years of hard work, the world would be equal, and technologically advanced. We would be a race that was destined for destruction, but saved ourselves just in time.

I would like to live in a world like that, but, sadly, we may never be able to. I would like my children, and their children, and their great great grandchildren, to live in a worl like that. I would gladly sacrifice some of my money to make a better world for my children.

This doesn't have to be accomplished by a world government, but if it isn't, people will fight over ways of doing things, and a war will ensue. This would destroy any chance of world peace for a long time.

[CODEDOG ND]

Originally posted by Top Gun
The USA is a land of opportunity and freedom if you happen to be a white, christian, male with money, aged between 21 and 70.



 

Let's see here..


Nobody considers Spike Lee a racists when he clearly is.


Scholarships CAN'T be given to whites only, because it is racist, BUT they ARE given to blacks, hispanics, and Native Americans based on grades AND race.

People are demanding the Federal Government impose more taxes so they can pay for the slave labor that was used to build the capital 200 years ago, and these people believe that just because they are black they should be given a cookie because their ancestors suffered.

Conservative Minorities are considered Uncle Tom's and are mocked.

The Confederate Flag is considered offensive to most, which would be the ignorant.

I have less rights than convicted and accused crimminals according to state and federal laws.  


I am not aloud in a women's abuse shelter, even though I am there to give donations.

 I can be sued for not hiring a female over a male just because she may have better qualifications, but he may have done a better job at the interview.

 I am automatically considered a suspected rapist and serial killer just because I fit the white, single, and between the ages of 21 and 45.  


And I can be fined in some states for calling somebody a "Queer."

[Styxx]

Originally posted by CODEDOG ND
And I can be fined in some states for calling somebody a "Queer."

What's a queer?

And I know all americans will disagree with me, but here in Brazil I have a lot more freedom than any american can hope to have...

[Knight Templar]

And I can be fined in some states for calling somebody a "Queer."

i didn't know that

queer = f***t = flamer = gay

all the same

[Bobboau]

"Taliban (backed by America) vs Northern Alliance (backed by Russia)"
You've got that pretty bass acwards,
What is now known as the Northern Alliance and the Taliban (though they were largely on the same side at the time and the names didn't change until well after this period of time) were both backed by America when Russia invaded Afghanistan and imposed a communistic puppet government. After the forces we supported pushed out Russia, we soon cut our support(biggest mistake we ever made), because they had won the war and we decided (with help from other people) that we shouldn't impose our horrid democratic values on them. You know things like, equality for women, freedom, a central government, and roads, indoor plumbing... so the place was left to fester with fighting warlords and clashes between ethnic groups. Until the Taliban came into power a few years later
The Taliban came from refugee camps in the southern regions and in Pakistan were the deplorable conditions led to a general feeling of disparity and hopelessness (which nether neither the US nor any European country seemed eager to help in). In this squalor the Taliban (or students as I believe the word means in pashtu, a reference to there strict studies of the Qaran) started to take over. They brought the promise of peace and stability, what they failed to inform there fellow countrymen was that they also brought a hard line fundamentalist Islam that subjugating the entire population. After the Taliban started to take ground the feuding warlords formed the Northern Alliance and tried to fight them back, but the Taliban were being funded by the Pakistani intelligence service (ISI) which was largely in favor of the wahabi sect of Islam, and without support of there own the Northern Alliance lost much ground and the people of Afghanistan suffered under the strict laws of the Taliban. Because the Northern Alliance had failed to bring a government other than warlordism and the Taliban had succeeded, not to mention the fact that they controlled roughly 90% of the country, many nations began to deal with them. Such as the US, which had interest in shutting down opium, production and stopping the terrorist camps that were running in the country. The Taliban never had any intentions of dealing with the US but the US bought some cooperation from them on the Opium side, by 2001 opium production was nearly halted in Afghanistan thanks to the Taliban and aid from the US
However the fact that the Talaban's human rights violations especially towards women kept them from being recognized by any governments other than Iran and Pakistan, the NA was still fighting for freedom while the Taliban convinced the US that they could be a potential partner. The darkest hour of the Northern Alliance was on September 9th when two AlQuada assassins killed general Ahmed Shah Massoud in what was believed to be a preparation for the 9-11 attacks. Shortly thereafter however the NA got the supplies and support it needed from the US and pushed the Taliban from power across all of Afghanistan, there are however small pockets still loyal to the Taliban in the south/southeast.
Currently an interim government formed from the NA is being held together by the coalition forces lead by the US that supported the NA in it's victory over the Taliban. The goal is to have a fair democratic representative government that will insure peace stability and freedom for the people of Afghanistan,
This time were not going to pull the plug and let the Taliban back in

Now I think I was fairly accurate and fair with that, would anyone like to point out any inaccuracies. Note my mention of US support of all islamic fighters during the 1980's including Usama and the Taliban later on

[Kamikaze]

Originally posted by Styxx


What's a queer?

And I know all americans will disagree with me, but here in Brazil I have a lot more freedom than any american can hope to have...

firstly a queer is a gay person... (I believe...)

and secondly how so? (maybe I'll just move to brazil )

[RandomTiger]

Originally posted by Bobboau
Note my mention of US support of all islamic fighters during the 1980's including Usama and the Taliban later on

Thats my point. The Taliban were just one of many groups but after a while they were singled out despite their extreme beliefs because they were "beter fighters"

Its Russia that we have to thank for the government in Afganistan, their influence stopped the whole thing falling apart.

[Razor]

My responce:

Awefull, horrible, disaster. I wouldn't like to live in that kind of world. Besides, noone on the planet would agree that one country would have a supreme authority. That kind of regime wouldn't be a democratic one. It would rather be an imperialistic regime if you ask me.

[Styxx]

Originally posted by Kamikaze
and secondly how so? (maybe I'll just move to brazil )

There's a far smaller risk of you being sued for anything you say;

The chance of being sued for hitting on a girl on any environment is close to nil;

You can buy and drink alcoholic beverages anywhere, providing that you're legally allowed (well, in most places you don't even need that);

There are very good public universities (the best universities in the country, most of the time), where you don't have to pay a cent - meaning that even if you're from a "poor" family you can still go to a great university if you're dedicated;

Racial blending is far smoother than on the US - in fact, I'd say that only the most extremist minority groups claim that there's significant racism around here;

The chance of you being monitored by the government due to religious or ideological beliefs is close to nil;


I could go on, but I think that this will suffice for now. Of course Brazil has many more problems, but I like it here.

[Tiara]

Originally posted by Styxx


There's a far smaller risk of you being sued for anything you say;

The chance of being sued for hitting on a girl on any environment is close to nil;

You can buy and drink alcoholic beverages anywhere, providing that you're legally allowed (well, in most places you don't even need that);

There are very good public universities (the best universities in the country, most of the time), where you don't have to pay a cent - meaning that even if you're from a "poor" family you can still go to a great university if you're dedicated;

Racial blending is far smoother than on the US - in fact, I'd say that only the most extremist minority groups claim that there's significant racism around here;

The chance of you being monitored by the government due to religious or ideological beliefs is close to nil;

Sounds like Holland!

[Nico]

Originally posted by Tiara


Sounds like Holland!

or France ( tho even if it's not too expensive, you have to pay for uni ).