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Just found out today and I must say I'm sooo ready. I'm really wondering about Roslin's threat about coming for "them". They also try to pull a Adama is the 5th cylon trick, which is probably not true at all but hey, I'm excited. :pimp:
http://video.scifi.com/player/?id=850122
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Yeah wondered about that Adama thing...I think thats a misleading thing but maybe its a double mind frak and they want us to think its misleading but its true. *brain explodes*
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Yeah wondered about that Adama thing...I think thats a misleading thing but maybe its a double mind frak and they want us to think its misleading but its true. *brain explodes*
That's from a Season 1 episode, remember? 'Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down'?
It could be intended to suggest he's the fifth, though.
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Yes, but did they have the "Final Five" thing planned as part of the story back then?
I mean back then, the final five were probably intended to be ordinary cylons, hence the jump from No 6 to No. 8. No 7 would probably have turned out to be a deep cover operative like Boomer. But the writters eventually decided to take a more fun option with the "Final Five" arc as the "you see a copy, thus he/she's a Cylon" method used for many of the others
*Spoilers*
No 1 (Cavil) Revealled when Audience sees a Copy
No 2 (Leoban) Revealed by dialogue after Adama kills one. Confirmed by sighting of copies
No 3 (D'anna) Revealed when audience sees a Copy
No 4 (Simon) Revealed when audience (and Starbuck) sees a copy
No 5 (Doral) Suspected by Cast. Confirmed by audience seeing copies
No 6 (Caprica/Shelly) Revealed as a Cylon right from the start
No 8 (Boomer/Athena) Revealled when the Audience sees a Copy
See - 5 of the 7 where revealled by the Sighting of Copies. and one (Leoban) of the other 2 was revealled via dialogue and confirmed by the presence of copies. It gets a bit boring/repeatative. SO the writters planned something different
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Yes, but did they have the "Final Five" thing planned as part of the story back then?
I mean back then, it looked more like the Cylon models would be revealed one at a time, with nothing special about the "Final Five". There's no other way to rationalise the absence on No. 7
They didn't have the Final Five planned that far back, no. But they could be using the clip to suggest that he's the 5th now.
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Waitwait.
I mean, okay, so Tigh sort of seems to be impossible given what Razor showed us, but there's still a chance his backstory's that fabricated.
However given that Adama more or less found the first Hybrid on his own and we've got reasonable confirmation of that via Razor, plus we have reasonable confirmation that Adama was a pilot before the first Hybrid existed, unless they want to tell us the whole flashback sequence of Razor was a lie or a bad trip, he can't be a Cylon. He proveably onscreen predates the Hybrids and therefore predates the humanoid models. It's just not possible.
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Waitwait.
I mean, okay, so Tigh sort of seems to be impossible given what Razor showed us, but there's still a chance his backstory's that fabricated.
However given that Adama more or less found the first Hybrid on his own and we've got reasonable confirmation of that via Razor, plus we have reasonable confirmation that Adama was a pilot before the first Hybrid existed, unless they want to tell us the whole flashback sequence of Razor was a lie or a bad trip, he can't be a Cylon. He proveably onscreen predates the Hybrids and therefore predates the humanoid models. It's just not possible.
I'm certain he's not the Fifth. Pretty much everyone is. The teaser's job is to tease, though, so they're using that clip to get people wondering.
Also, I think you might be wrong on a very critical point.
The Final Five predate the Significant Seven Cylons. In all likelihood they predate the First Hybrid and the Cylons as we know them. They weren't made by the Colonials at all, nor by the old-school Cylons.
Remember, 'the Five who come from the home of the Thirteenth.' They're from Earth, or from Kobol. That means they are very likely extremely old.
Remember what Leoben said in the Season 4 premiere? "The things they've seen..." She's suggesting they've been alive for a long time. The Final Five are very old, probably not even skinjobs as we know them.[/i]
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Yeah wondered about that Adama thing...I think thats a misleading thing but maybe its a double mind frak and they want us to think its misleading but its true. *brain explodes*
That's from a Season 1 episode, remember? 'Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down'?
It could be intended to suggest he's the fifth, though.
Oh I know where the clip comes from. I'm questioning the significance of it in the 4.5 trailer...I think they are trying to play with us a little.
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Also, I think you might be wrong on a very critical point.
The problem with that is then they're not really Cylons at all...and there is no reason for the other Cylons to know of them or even much care about them. The Cylons are a Colonial AI servant race that rebelled, canonically. The original sentient-tinmen versions did that. There's just no room in their backstory for a semi-mythological set of precursors, particularly ones that don't know it. They could well be the first of the skinjobs, and far predate the others even since we have reason to believe the skinjobs are not more than a couple of years old at the time of the Cylon genocide of the Colonies, but that they predate the events of the Razor flashbacks just throws the whole thing to Wild Mass Guessing craziness. You have to remember, the truce lasted what, thirty years? Forty? There is plenty of time for them to be five or six times older then the seven without predating Razor.
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Also, I think you might be wrong on a very critical point.
The problem with that is then they're not really Cylons at all...and there is no reason for the other Cylons to know of them or even much care about them. The Cylons are a Colonial AI servant race that rebelled, canonically. The original sentient-tinmen versions did that. There's just no room in their backstory for a semi-mythological set of precursors, particularly ones that don't know it. They could well be the first of the skinjobs, and far predate the others even since we have reason to believe the skinjobs are not more than a couple of years old at the time of the Cylon genocide of the Colonies, but that they predate the events of the Razor flashbacks just throws the whole thing to Wild Mass Guessing craziness. You have to remember, the truce lasted what, thirty years? Forty? There is plenty of time for them to be five or six times older then the seven without predating Razor.
I'd agree with you, except for the one devastating fact that the Five 'come from the home of the Thirteenth': either Earth or Kobol. Which means they are very old indeed.
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Also, I think you might be wrong on a very critical point.
The problem with that is then they're not really Cylons at all...and there is no reason for the other Cylons to know of them or even much care about them. The Cylons are a Colonial AI servant race that rebelled, canonically. The original sentient-tinmen versions did that. There's just no room in their backstory for a semi-mythological set of precursors, particularly ones that don't know it. They could well be the first of the skinjobs, and far predate the others even since we have reason to believe the skinjobs are not more than a couple of years old at the time of the Cylon genocide of the Colonies, but that they predate the events of the Razor flashbacks just throws the whole thing to Wild Mass Guessing craziness. You have to remember, the truce lasted what, thirty years? Forty? There is plenty of time for them to be five or six times older then the seven without predating Razor.
...this all has happened before, this all will happen again... :D
Warning! Contains spoiler from season 4!!
Tigh is to old, to be created after the first Cylon war, also the final five are aging.
The other seven are not, which is mentioned by Adama in episode 4.10.
The Cylons are the 13th tribe who left Kobol over 3000 years ago, they has become more "human" as time past by.
It has been confirmed by Aaron Douglas ( Tyrol ). Granted, he could have lied about that, but...
"The humans lived with the gods on Kobol,' till..."
Far more important is the question, who or what are "gods"?
The RIS version of the beeings of light?
Head-six and head-Baltar, are they angels, send by the god (s), to save/ destroy humanity?
That the angels ( head six ) are real ( physically spoken ) can you see in the scene where Baltar trys to enter the room of his fellowers, and the Marine beats the crap out of him.
Head six is lifting him up!!
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Head Six doesn't lift him. In the podcast for that episode, RDM said that people were interpreting that too wildly -- it's just power of suggestion on Baltar. He's doing it all himself.
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That was class. Unless there were wires involved it was very reminisent of a part in the Charlie/Hank fight in Me, Myself and Irene.
Sorry if that cheapens BSG (or vice versa) for anyone.
I'm very much looking forward to the final run but don't really have high expectations anymore. Nor do I think too much about whats going to happen because clearly, we're at the stage where the writers have only fairly recently decided on the fifth and concluding plot so there's not really any evidence to look to.
And are they really, still pushing the Lee/Kara sexy-time angle?
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That was class. Unless there were wires involved it was very reminisent of a part in the Charlie/Hank fight in Me, Myself and Irene.
Sorry if that cheapens BSG (or vice versa) for anyone.
I'm very much looking forward to the final run but don't really have high expectations anymore. Nor do I think too much about whats going to happen because clearly, we're at the stage where the writers have only fairly recently decided on the fifth and concluding plot so there's not really any evidence to look to.
And are they really, still pushing the Lee/Kara sexy-time angle?
I don't think so. I hope not!
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Well that's what I siad but there's definately a kiss in there. Might well be a 'I can't face certain death without you knowing that I still lo....ike you' suicide mission kiss but it's still there.
Seriously, is Lee still meant to be 'happily' married to Duwala (?)? Because there's no hint of spousal affection. Whether that's supposed to be because they live a frigid, sexless, 'don't touch me!' arrangement, or because the two actors hate each other, is beyond my ability to say.
But seriously, on the writers/actors part it wouldn't take any time to have dropped a few smiles here, a brief bush of a hand there. It's pretty rediculous.
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Um, those two split up at the end of Season 3, remember?
Over the whole issue of Baltar's trial?
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What? Really? I don't remember that at all.
Hmmm, wow. That explains things somewhat. Seriously, I watch this with a friend and neither of us caught that.
Hmmm, right then.
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What? Really? I don't remember that at all.
Hmmm, wow. That explains things somewhat. Seriously, I watch this with a friend and neither of us caught that.
Hmmm, right then.
Dualla walked out on him in a scene during Crossroads Part 1, I believe. Or maybe it was 'The Son Also Rises'.
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Yep, I just checked it. While I should have remembered, it was a rediculously short scene that left us to fill in the blanks regarding the constant arguments that they must've been having leading up to it.
Now don't mistake me, I didn't and don't want more attention on that relationship, mainly cause Dualla's pretty boring, but it was still pathetically underdeveloped.
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Yep, I just checked it. While I should have remembered, it was a rediculously short scene that left us to fill in the blanks regarding the constant arguments that they must've been having leading up to it.
Now don't mistake me, I didn't and don't want more attention on that relationship, mainly cause Dualla's pretty boring, but it was still pathetically underdeveloped.
The whole Dualla/Lee/Starbuck/Anders love polygon was probably the lowest this show's writing has ever fallen. I think they decided to just kick the wreckage out the door and move on.
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Friday is the beginning of the webisodes. Who's going to watch it?
homophobes beware of Gaeta and Hoshi :p
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WHAT!?!?! WHAT KIND OF WEBISODES!!?!??!
Will this be like that Resistance business before Season 3?
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The webisodes in between season 3 and 4 was the young Adama fighting in the first Cylon war if I'm not mistaken. Which were used during the Razor movie.
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WHAT!?!?! WHAT KIND OF WEBISODES!!?!??!
Will this be like that Resistance business before Season 3?
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Wasn't around then so I wouldn't know.
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The 10 webisodes, entitled "The Face of the Enemy," tell a story that takes place between seasons 4.0 and 4.5 of Battlestar and follow Lt. Gaeta when he is sent off in a Raptor with a handful of strangers and one of them mysteriously dies. The psychological human-vs.-Cylon struggle is played out in the restrictive confines of a Raptor as everyone is a suspect, and paranoia sets in among the group.
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Yeah... that's what I was talking about. :wtf:
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So it's going to be Gaeta and Hoshi plus a few others in a raptor with a possible Cylon aboard.
Homosexual-sexual tension, suspicion and a possible cylon murderer all in about 4metres cubed. Sounds awesome!
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Yeah... that's what I was talking about. :wtf:
Then why didn't you say so?
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*sigh* Nevermind, I wasn't sure that there were any webisodes about the resistance so I referenced the webisodes that appeared between season 3 & 4. You know. To make sure I knew what you were asking. :p
BTW, has anybody noticed that on the last clue given about the last supper image. Roslin is completely missing. I wonder what exactly that implies. She died? A cylon? or has the cancer gone to her head?
http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/youwillknowthetruth/index.php?pageid=70
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*update*
http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?clip=5&sub=specials
Wow, I'm loving it.
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Heh, the recap is pretty good too.
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This looks...really good.
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That was not bad at all. You could tell the sets were a little different. According to the commentary it was filmed when alot of the sets were being bulldozed. :(
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That was not bad at all. You could tell the sets were a little different. According to the commentary it was filmed when alot of the sets were being bulldozed. :(
Aw.
I really liked that first webisode. Interesting to see humanoid Cylons aboard Galactica -- I'd envisioned more segregation, but I'm guessing the 'alliance' involves a lot of negotiation and such.
And Colonel Tigh appears to be free to resume his duties in spite of his Cylon status. Interesting.
This looks to be a good setup. I'm eager for the next one.
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And Colonel Tigh appears to be free to resume his duties in spite of his Cylon status. Interesting.
This looks to be a good setup. I'm eager for the next one.
Yes that was unexpected. Especially after the spoiler with Adama and Tigh. But I guess alot can happen in 6 days.
I also see that there are hostile cylon contacts popping up. Not to mention why aren't they around earth? Something to do with the attacks? I honestly don't believe they found Earth. The audience in the 1978 BSG was lead to believe they found Earth, it was also nuked but turned out to be a colony from the 13th tribe.
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In a video I found on You Tube the land site was pointed out to be in Australia, possibly in Sidney(if I remember well).
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Could be. Can you find this video?
All I know is...
1. The closer they get to Earth the older things get. (Kobol 2,000 - Temple of five 3000 - artifact 4000) Could be suggesting something here.
2. The constellations in the tomb of Athena match the constellations on the planet they landed on but not our Constellations they were close but not exact. (Sloppiness? could be or could not)
3. The episode "The road less traveled" featured the constellations perfectly in the background throughout the entire episode. Suggesting they were in close proximity to the Solar System and the big gas giant has to be Jupiter. But once they found the basestar they went back to Galatica to carry on wherever they go.
4. RDM said “We will get to a place that we will call Earth before the end of the season.”
Here is some more of what I'm talking about. I have my doubts that this is Earth http://www.galactica-science.com/battlestar/blog/astronomy/i-know-where-earth-is/
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I also see that there are hostile cylon contacts popping up. Not to mention why aren't they around earth? Something to do with the attacks? I honestly don't believe they found Earth. The audience in the 1978 BSG was lead to believe they found Earth, it was also nuked but turned out to be a colony from the 13th tribe.
When was that?
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I also see that there are hostile cylon contacts popping up. Not to mention why aren't they around earth? Something to do with the attacks? I honestly don't believe they found Earth. The audience in the 1978 BSG was lead to believe they found Earth, it was also nuked but turned out to be a colony from the 13th tribe.
When was that?
In the episodes “Greetings from Earth” and “Experiment in Terra"
http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Terra
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Oh yes. I thought so.
As to number 5 ID, well, my Random answer is Boxy - who we havent seen since early S1 (unless you count the deleted scenes - then late S1)
THere is the theory that #5 is/was Joseph Adama - meaning that Bill, Zak and Lee are all human/cylon hybrids. The major hole in that theory is that the Cylon detector would pick them up. But even that has its flaws:
1) AFIK, comander Adama never had his detector test completed on screen. and Lee's wasnt even mentioned.
2) It was never mentioned if the detector could pick up on Cylon/Human hybrids
Of course, there is the entire possibility that the fifth is Tigh and Caprica Six's child...
Actually, RDM says he's put enough clues into episodes as to the Final Cylon's ID. Of course he never mentioned where to start looking. So that means the clues could be hidden in plain sight.
I mean AFIK, the Final Five subplot began in S3 - but for all we know, he may have had it planned from the beginning and been leaving clues as far back as S1.
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And dont forget the entire possibility that Earth was the original cradle of humanity and they moved from earth to Kobol.
I mean each Relic they find is older:
Kobol Ruins - 2000 years old
Lion's Head Beacon - 3000 years old
Temple of the Five - 4000 years old
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I mean each Relic they find is older:
Kobol Ruins - 2000 years old
Lion's Head Beacon - 3000 years old
Temple of the Five - 4000 years old
Oh, I see of had my order wrong. :p
I still don't see those theories adding up with all of the evidence. It has to be someone more obvious like Roslin or Baltar. I'm puzzled though at a comment slip made about the final five by RDM saying that the FF isn't in the last supper picture. Maybe he made a mistake and took it out in clue number 6 http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/youwillknowthetruth/index.php?pageid=70
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I mean each Relic they find is older:
Kobol Ruins - 2000 years old
Lion's Head Beacon - 3000 years old
Temple of the Five - 4000 years old
I noticed this and I think it's very compelling evidence that Earth is the original birthplace of mankind.
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Not only that but RDM says that the language they speak is in fact Modern English not some 'Caprican.' He also states the fact that they wear ties and their culture is so similar to Earth is that there is a connection.
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Latest webisode is up. All superb, though I did have one question.
In the scene with Tigh and Hoshi, Hoshi says the missing Raptor has been gone for 'over two days now'. When we cut back to the Raptor -- presumably mere minutes after the misjump -- they only have twenty hours of air left.
Assuming that the Tigh/Hoshi scene was 'in the future' as compared to the scenes on the Raptor, that means some people on the Raptor will have to die if they're going to last two days.
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I heard from an inside source that the final cylon will be a new character called Dr Z.
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Its not a new character. That has been stressed by Ron countless times. :)
Unless he was lying.
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I heard from an inside source that the final cylon will be a new character called Dr Z.
Good God, I hope not!
That's a reference to the original series, jdjtcagle.
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I could of swore (I can't check right now) that he said it wasn't anybody we didn't know. That the FF has been with us from the beginning and is not some random guy in the corner from season 1. Again I can't check.
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I could of swore (I can't check right now) that he said it wasn't anybody we didn't know. That the FF has been with us from the beginning and is not some random guy in the corner from season 1. Again I can't check.
He was kidding. Moore didn't say that it'd be anyone named Doctor Zee.
He probably did say that it wasn't somebody we didn't know. I'm still guessing it's Zak Adama.
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I heard from an inside source that the final cylon will be a new character called Dr Z.
That has to be BS. If any reference to a character that never existed from the series that never happend comes along the fans'll crusify RD.
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And dont forget the entire possibility that Earth was the original cradle of humanity and they moved from earth to Kobol.
I don't see how they could say anything else without denying over 150 years of scientific discoveries and research into the human past. That would turn BSG from Science Fiction into just fiction (insofar that it isn't already)
imho bsg history probably went a bit like this:
1. humans leave earth and colonise Kobol (and maybe other places)
2. humans on Kobol create scientient machines. Basically the first "Cylons". Something happens that leads to a massive upheaval on Kobol and the departure of the 13 tribes. 12 to the new colonies, 1 back to Earth. But whatever the disruption was you can be sure that the "Cylons" have something to do with it and that the difference between the two groups is their relation towards these artificial humans.
3. the 12 colonies settled, somehow the Final 5 remain undetected in the populace. Either by virtue of being well hidden, or the relation of those colonists towards the artifical humans.
4. on the 12 colonies intelligent machines are created, the Cylons. This is the beginning of that part of the prophecy "what has happened before will happen again"
5. Cylons rebel, hybrid construction begins
6. BSG season 1 starts.
Now somehow those 5 old models have managed to set a rerun of history in motion, either by nudging the colonists to produce Cylons or by tampering with the Cylons themselves so that they'd eventually try to build hybrid models of their own. In the same vein it then becomes entirely possible that it were the socalled final 5 that wrote the book of Kobol in the first place.
An alternative possibility is that the 12 colonies are the Kobol Cylons, all hybrids, all imperfect, all mortal, which would explain why after 1000s of years they've fogotten about the 5 models that are actually immortal. But something in their collective memories-instincts gnaws at them. Something that leads them to produce Cylons in an attempt to put things right, but while trying to do so making all the (same?) mistakes the humans of Kobol did. The 13th tribe would then be Humans that went back to earth.
Not that it matters as we'll probably never know.
And didn't I see two other battlestars in the old teasers for season 4 (Hades and Titan?) Where are they?
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It's this Friday! Holy frak!
Face of the Enemy has been pretty cool, too.
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*snip*
And didn't I see two other battlestars in the old teasers for season 4 (Hades and Titan?) Where are they?
This has been discussed on GW forums months ago.
The "teasers" with those Battlestars are fake. Created by fans, but well done.
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OH SHI- it's TOMORROW!!!!!!!111one
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I can feel it coming in TV tooniiight...[/Phil Collins]
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[envy][/envy]
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As long as it doesn't go all Daneel Olivaw on us.
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I can feel it coming in TV tooniiight...[/Phil Collins]
I'm feeling you coming tonight, too :D
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As long as it doesn't go all Daneel Olivaw on us.
What, like arrange things so that humanity becomes a hive mind and then steal the brain of a child who can use the Force?
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As long as it doesn't go all Daneel Olivaw on us.
What, like arrange things so that humanity becomes a hive mind and then steal the brain of a child who can use the Force?
:lol: That's the Bunny!
Seriously though
Basically, making it so that this is all being arranged by the Fifth for the benefit of Earth
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What a fraking great episode.
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I liked it all except the end reveal.
I trust them to do something good with it. But I was hoping for a different option.
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I think Dee's suicide was one of the most jaw-dropping things I've witnessed in this show. That was just, wow.
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Holy frak, that episode was fantastic. Spoilers below:
Dee's death was simply gut wrenching. I liked how they used that to make you think that Rosslyn dies back from the teaser (when Adama is crying over the white-sheathed body). Also apparently Kara and the other final five cylons had previous lives on Earth(?) ~2000 years ago, and the entire population was actually cylon, and they got nuked. The final five were reborn in the colonial fleet. Oh, and the fifth was Ellen, revealed at literally the last second. Somewhat of a let-down but I think it works better than having it a major character.
Can't wait for next episode. :yes:
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Yes, yes. We were discussing this on IRC...
The "humans" now are actually Cylons, who were themselves created by Cylons ad infinitum. "All of this has happened before and all of this will happen again." It's just an endless cycle of cylons creating cylons which rebel and then try to imitate their masters and eventually build their own cylons, who rebel... Honestly, I hope I'm wrong though.
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Holy frak, that episode was fantastic. Spoilers below:
Dee's death was simply gut wrenching. I liked how they used that to make you think that Rosslyn dies back from the teaser (when Adama is crying over the white-sheathed body). Also apparently Kara and the other final five cylons had previous lives on Earth(?) ~2000 years ago, and the entire population was actually cylon, and they got nuked. The final five were reborn in the colonial fleet. Oh, and the fifth was Ellen, revealed at literally the last second. Somewhat of a let-down but I think it works better than having it a major character.
Can't wait for next episode. :yes:
Kara's not a Cylon. There aren't any slots left. The body she found is her own body from the Viper she died in during Maelstrom.
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You mean her previous body. There must be some kind of resurrection ship or station or something near Earth so that she could be resurrected there and then sent back to Galactica in a new Viper, as well as to resurrect the final Four who died in the nuking.
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You mean her previous body. There must be some kind of resurrection ship or station or something near Earth so that she could be resurrected there and then sent back to Galactica in a new Viper, as well as to resurrect the final Four who died in the nuking.
It's possible. At the moment, I don't think she was resurrected or downloaded into a new body (since I still think she's human.) What occurred to her might be a supernatural event -- she's an angel, as Leoben said. Or somesuch.
Dunno yet. Need more data![/spoiler
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Do we seriously need to use spoiler tags in this thread? It's pretty obvious to me that there are spoilers in a thread like this... Could someone add "spoilers" to the thread topic so that it would be a bit more convenient to discuss the new revelations/red herrings?
Okay. So we now know that the inhabitants of Earth were Cylons of some sort, most likely the same as the Final Five (of whom four were revealed last season). We do NOT know if they were the 13th tribe. It is possible that the 13th tribe arrived to Earth... and nuked the crap out of the existing population, ie. final/original-five model cylons, or started a war that ended with grand scale nuclear bombardment 2000 years before the events of the show.
Another option is that the 13th Tribe settled on Earth, and somewhere along the line developed an ability to resurrect via genetic engineering and developement of other technology. 2000 years ago, there was a nuclear war on Earth, but it's causes are very unclear. It is possible that the 13th tribe fell victim to their own technological cylons that were rebelling, or they simply got into an oldfashioned nuclear war with themselves - or a third party like Shivans came and nuked the planet to kingdom come.
During this event, most of the inhabitants died; however at least four of the inhabitants were at some point later resurrected, transported into Colonies and implanted into new lifes with faux memories, same as Boomer-Eight later on. Who did all this, is probably the fifth cylon model, or at more unlikely case Lords of Kobol or other entity.
If what has been suggested by the last episode is actually true, it's rather... interesting. Something is orchestrating this stuff aside from the Colonials, Sinister Seven and Final Four. Perhaps it is the Final Fifth cylon, perhaps it is the 13th tribe, perhaps "Lords of Kobol". The terms and differences between cylons and humans are being deliberately torn down, though.
There's also the chance that the "flashbacks" that the Four of Five experienced might be implanted memories too. Or at the extreme case, we have no way of knowing what may be real at this point, and who classifies as human and who as cylon. The fifth is probably a survivor of the Earth's nuclear destruction 2000 years ago, or possible even it's cause. Who knows.
Personally, I doubt either Starbuck or Ellen are "the" final fifth cylon model. Ellen might be an aged model Six, which would be in conjunction with the fact that Caprica-Six is pregnant and Ellen was, in the "flashback" (another thing I doubt) saying that their child shall be born again or something like that. Starbuck being the fifth cylon would be cheap; I think that whoever is the hidden puppet master resurrected Starbuck in a similar fashion that Tigh, Anders, Tori and Chief were resurrected - so in a sense Starbuck might actually be a 13th Cylon model now that she's once resurrected. She probably still has no genetic or biomechanic modifications that make the actual cylon skinjobs faster and stronger and stuff, but some might classify her as cylon now.
A shame she didn't have the courage to test the body for DNA sample; it might've been a red herring after all, though the Viper's registration and the ID tags and personal jewelry does suggest that she indeed died in the explosion, the debris was transported to Earth and scattered around, and someone or something was orchestrating it, resurrected her (probably the reason why she experienced so little time during her disappearance), put her in a new Viper that matched the old one and locked it to track it's "own" beacon transponder thingie so when it got close enough to Earth it would point to right direction. Remembering the Cylon raider seen in the Maelstrom, it is most certain that the unknown entity hidden in shadows is indeed the "Fifth" cylon model.
Do we even know that the Fifth is in the fleet? He/she/it might not have inserted itself into Colonial fleet of survivors after all, opting to pull the strings from behind the scenes...
Dualla's suicide was... a disappointment and a shock. And probably just as much an unexpected (as suicides tend to be in most cases) nasty surprise to viewers as much as it was to the other characters... :blah:
Good episode in my opinion, though I'm not yet sure if it's just the BSG withdrawal symptoms going away after a long long time without new Battlestar episodes. All in all though... we can't really be sure of anything any more. Prepare for some monumental mindfrak I say. :mad2:
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I don't think Kara is a cylon...
(You know, her mother wasn't married, was she?)
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Loved the episode, including the final reveal. This is as tense as TV gets, and (barring a few quibbles with the writing) I thought it was brilliant.
Nice interview with Ron Moore about the episode. (http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/01/final-fifth-cylon-ellen-tigh-battlestar-galactica-dualla-dee-.html) (Spoileriffic, of course.)
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^ Great link, thanks for sharing that. :)
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All of this has happened before, but it will happen again. Again... Again... Again...
I have the feeling that this statement is false. I am re-watching episode 1, the scrolls of Pythia say that the Leader would not live to see the new land (like mozes?). The leader is there, however...
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All of this has happened before, but it will happen again. Again... Again... Again...
I have the feeling that this statement is false. I am re-watching episode 1, the scrolls of Pythia say that the Leader would not live to see the new land (like mozes?). The leader is there, however...
Because the "Caravan of the heavens" hasn't arrived at the promised land, yet.
Earth isn't the promised land.
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It occurs to me at this point that referring to the Final Five, or any of the humanoid "Cylons" as Cylons is completely and utterly wrong. They are not Cylons. They never have been. In fact, they've perpetrated a monsterous atrocity on everyone involved. The humanoid models hijacked the entire Cylon race for their own purposes by happening to be in the right place at the right time when the Cylons were trying to develop more humanoid models. They are not leaders; they are infiltrators who have totally subverted the organization. They then used this to commit genocide against humanity.
At this point, the humanoid "Cylons" are more or less turning out to be sentient parasites!
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It occurs to me at this point that referring to the Final Five, or any of the humanoid "Cylons" as Cylons is completely and utterly wrong. They are not Cylons. They never have been. In fact, they've perpetrated a monsterous atrocity on everyone involved. The humanoid models hijacked the entire Cylon race for their own purposes by happening to be in the right place at the right time when the Cylons were trying to develop more humanoid models. They are not leaders; they are infiltrators who have totally subverted the organization. They then used this to commit genocide against humanity.
At this point, the humanoid "Cylons" are more or less turning out to be sentient parasites!
I don't think you can support that via evidence in the show.
The Final Five and Significant Seven aren't necessarily the same. And the mechanoid Cylons were already at war with -- and attempting genocide against -- the Colonies.
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I don't think you can support that via evidence in the show.
The Final Five and Significant Seven aren't necessarily the same. And the mechanoid Cylons were already at war with -- and attempting genocide against -- the Colonies.
The mechanical Cylons also concluded a peace treaty with the humans and seemed prepared to leave well enough alone. It's been repeatedly speculated and usually considered a going proposition that the mechanical Cylons did not have the means, and hence no real desire to, obliterate the human race on their own; they needed the infiltrators and the compromised CNP. (Although I suppose in a sense, they did have that means after all; Raiders equipped for in-atmosphere FTL jumps and a one-way nuclear strike mission could have leveled the Colonies quite effectively, but at the cost of leaving them open to fleet reprisal...which suggests that genocide was not an objective they were willing to sacrifice very much to accomplish.)
And no, they're not the same, but one is descended from the other by fairly obvious routes, or at least has significant influence on the other, or something, because the Final Five are after all objects of religious sigificance to the Cylons, either taboo or otherwise, which suggests signficant contact.
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It occurs to me at this point that referring to the Final Five, or any of the humanoid "Cylons" as Cylons is completely and utterly wrong. They are not Cylons. They never have been. In fact, they've perpetrated a monsterous atrocity on everyone involved. The humanoid models hijacked the entire Cylon race for their own purposes by happening to be in the right place at the right time when the Cylons were trying to develop more humanoid models. They are not leaders; they are infiltrators who have totally subverted the organization. They then used this to commit genocide against humanity.
At this point, the humanoid "Cylons" are more or less turning out to be sentient parasites!
I don't think you can support that via evidence in the show.
The Final Five and Significant Seven aren't necessarily the same. And the mechanoid Cylons were already at war with -- and attempting genocide against -- the Colonies.
Well, it does seem that the Cylons developed by the Colonials were hijacked by the "original programmer(s)" and were given access to rather old base material for the seven humanoid models, (thus lacking the disease immunity) restrictions placed on the Centurions, and finally programming restrictions on not thinking about the final five. This seems to imply that either the entity doing the reprogramming knew of the five, or that one of the five did this. The question is, how much do the Ones know about this and how has that factored into their actions?
What is interesting is that Earth and Kobol were both destroyed about the same time... (Earth getting the worse end of the deal)
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What is interesting is that Earth and Kobol were both destroyed about the same time... (Earth getting the worse end of the deal)
Colonials nuke Cylons
Gods get angry
Gods force Colonials to flee Kobol.
Or something like that.
I find it rather intresting... Don't the Lords of Kobol exist of twelve as well? Why the Cylons just have one god... Only one god followed the 13th tribe. So there are actually 13 gods...
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I have no words...no words for how crappy this show has become. :wtf:
You continue worshiping the screen it's show on if you like tough....
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I have no words...no words for how crappy this show has become. :wtf:
You continue worshiping the screen it's show on if you like tough....
:wtf:(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/218/baltaranime008re2.gif) :wtf:
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Trashman, I would've thought you would have liked it -- they cut out most of the mysticism and prophecy.
And it was daringly bleak, as well.
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I have no words...no words for how crappy this show has become. :wtf:
You continue worshiping the screen it's show on if you like tough....
You're more than welcome to not watch it if you like. The rest of us are completely content with keeping up with what is arguably one of the best sci-fi television series to date.
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I have no words...no words for how crappy this show has become. :wtf:
In other words you're unable to explain it to us, why is unclear, but either you cannot properly articulate your reasoning or you're afraid we have better reasoning? :p
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Oh, I can very well describe why I don't like it (in very excruciating detail), but it would end up an essay and trigger a barrage of flame towards me.
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Then don't. Don't respond to this either, just leave the thread alone... if you can. :p
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Oh, I can very well describe why I don't like it (in very excruciating detail), but it would end up an essay and trigger a barrage of flame towards me.
Im no flamer, and yet I am intrested. Most people here are reasonbly nice, actually. It is just that the flamers stand out so much. But they suck anyway. So...
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Oh, I can very well describe why I don't like it (in very excruciating detail), but it would end up an essay and trigger a barrage of flame towards me.
See, flaming and disagreement are not the same thing.
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I'm interested on what TrashMan has to say on the matter since I may agree on him(not entirely, though).
Also, everything he can do is to accuse BSG's creators. He won't be flaming any fellow HLP members if not provoked.
TrashMan, if this thread is not the right place to discuss the subject, you may send me a PM with all the "details". I'm curious. ;)
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Then why don't you guys make an "I don't like BSG because..." thread? That would be perfectly acceptable; we just don't want to get into that in this thread.
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Just saw it and.......****. Question, were the ones who nuked earth and kobol the same party?
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Just saw it and.......****. Question, were the ones who nuked earth and kobol the same party?
Who would that be? Kobol is the birthplace of Humanity, both the Cylons and the Humans lived there. Although the thirteenth tribe left a little earlier, as I recall... Although I might have forgotten something.
Oh well.
All will be revealed.
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Then why don't you guys make an "I don't like BSG because..." thread? That would be perfectly acceptable; we just don't want to get into that in this thread.
Because this thread is named "people who worship BSG"? .
Well, I guess the drooling part of the name implies no other opinnions except for glorifying the show is allowed.
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It does raise the question of how the Cylons would have fared had they not managed to infiltrate the colonies, from what I've seen, without that advantage the BattleStar fleet would have pretty much torn the Cylons to pieces, since a single Battlestar seems capable of engaging multiple Basestars without too much trouble, even the Galactica, an old vessel badly in need of repair and with limited fighter compliment was ok with tackling two of them at once, and two Battlestars were quite happy with jumping into the middle of a Cylon battlegroup and gutting it.
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It does raise the question of how the Cylons would have fared had they not managed to infiltrate the colonies, from what I've seen, without that advantage the BattleStar fleet would have pretty much torn the Cylons to pieces, since a single Battlestar seems capable of engaging multiple Basestars without too much trouble, even the Galactica, an old vessel badly in need of repair and with limited fighter compliment was ok with tackling two of them at once, and two Battlestars were quite happy with jumping into the middle of a Cylon battlegroup and gutting it.
In both cases, though, the base ships' Raider compliments were first drawn away. Don't give those critters short shrift.
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It does raise the question of how the Cylons would have fared had they not managed to infiltrate the colonies, from what I've seen, without that advantage the BattleStar fleet would have pretty much torn the Cylons to pieces, since a single Battlestar seems capable of engaging multiple Basestars without too much trouble, even the Galactica, an old vessel badly in need of repair and with limited fighter compliment was ok with tackling two of them at once, and two Battlestars were quite happy with jumping into the middle of a Cylon battlegroup and gutting it.
In both cases, though, the base ships' Raider compliments were first drawn away. Don't give those critters short shrift.
That's true, but if you have around 40-80 pilots and 40-80 fighters only, and no reinforcements from the homeworld, you change tactics.
Pegasus was able to destroy a Basestar with one or two volleys from the forward canons/ launchers.
Galactica was pounded by 4 Basestars in the orbit of NC for a long time and survived.
The main advantage of the Cylons is their HUGE fighter complement ( around 1000, they don't have Flak, it seems they use half their fighters to intercept incoming missiles) and the ability of their Basestars to spam Missiles.
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Yes, which is why the Colonials have only had any success when drawing those Raiders away.
In both cases the Cylons got overconfident and sent their whole Raider force after what they believed to be critical targets.
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Yes, which is why the Colonials have only had any success when drawing those Raiders away.
In both cases the Cylons got overconfident and sent their whole Raider force after what they believed to be critical targets.
The Cylons effectively use the Raiders as a shield to protect them by focusing the Battlestar's guns against the Raiders, but experience in the show suggests that in the end, a Battlestar can wear the Raider screen down in attritional combat and then take on the Basestar. Something like this happened in Scattered, when Galactica's Viper complement was only at half strength. By the time the Vipers were recalled to the ship they had clearly gained the upper hand against the Raiders. The Captain's Hand suggests that a Pegasus-class ship is capable of simply bulling its way through a Raider screen to inflict critical or even fatal damage against a Basestar.
Admittedly, both Pegasus and Galactica (plus their Viper complements) are absurdly veteran by that point, but the evidence is not encouraging for the Cylons.
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Yes, which is why the Colonials have only had any success when drawing those Raiders away.
In both cases the Cylons got overconfident and sent their whole Raider force after what they believed to be critical targets.
The Cylons effectively use the Raiders as a shield to protect them by focusing the Battlestar's guns against the Raiders, but experience in the show suggests that in the end, a Battlestar can wear the Raider screen down in attritional combat and then take on the Basestar. Something like this happened in Scattered, when Galactica's Viper complement was only at half strength. By the time the Vipers were recalled to the ship they had clearly gained the upper hand against the Raiders. The Captain's Hand suggests that a Pegasus-class ship is capable of simply bulling its way through a Raider screen to inflict critical or even fatal damage against a Basestar.
Admittedly, both Pegasus and Galactica (plus their Viper complements) are absurdly veteran by that point, but the evidence is not encouraging for the Cylons.
Not sure about that, there's no clear evidence either way.
Scattered depicts Galactica's fighter screen as so leaky that a major target slips through along with plenty of conventional Cylon ordinance. There's not even discussion of firing on the base star.
The Captain's Hand involves a battle at knife-fight range against an enemy made cautious by the lack of a Resurrection Ship.
Fankwankery about the effectiveness of Raiders one way or another is pretty pointless for now, but my gut feeling is that the raider/base ship teamup is very powerful -- much like today's carriers.
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I think what makes the Pegasus so dangerous is the fact it can lay the smack down before the Raiders even arrive within range of the Flak screen, Razor, to me, showed what happens if a BattleStar gets swamped under by Raiders, throw enough water at a rock, and the rock will crumble.
Vipers seems to be considerably better in combat than Raiders, Galactica's complement of old vipers can make a severe mess of a much larger group of Cylon fighters, though, in fairness, that's because if they didn't the series would have been a lot shorter.
I'd say that one on one, Colonial ships are significantly superior to their Cylon equivalents, but with the advantage of Resurrection ships and the ability to make new warriors 'out of the box', rather than having to train new recruits, it really boils down to a war of attrition, if the Colonials can find and hit the Resurrection ships, then they stand a chance, but if they don't they will, like the proverbial rock, end up being worn down.
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Well, since the Colonials took out the Resurrection Hub thats not an issue - though the resurrection hub confused me.
It seems a bit stupid to have one ship like that for the ENTIRE cylon race. Surely there would be MAJOR resurrection facilities on the Cylon Homeworld.
Cylon organisation of resurrection craft seems rather odd.
of course this is assuming that the Cylon Homeworld and the Resurrection Hub aren't one and the same
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Well, since the Colonials took out the Resurrection Hub thats not an issue - though the resurrection hub confused me.
It seems a bit stupid to have one ship like that for the ENTIRE cylon race. Surely there would be MAJOR resurrection facilities on the Cylon Homeworld.
Cylon organisation of resurrection craft seems rather odd.
of course this is assuming that the Cylon Homeworld and the Resurrection Hub aren't one and the same
Yeah, we don't know if there is even a Cylon homeworld. They may be completely spaceborne.
Vipers seems to be considerably better in combat than Raiders, Galactica's complement of old vipers can make a severe mess of a much larger group of Cylon fighters, though, in fairness, that's because if they didn't the series would have been a lot shorter.
Also because the Raiders have onboard FTL, which probably eats up some performance.
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Well, since the Colonials took out the Resurrection Hub thats not an issue
That's in the current timeline, I'm referring to a situation where the Colonials and Cylons met on equal terms.
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Not sure about that, there's no clear evidence either way.
Scattered depicts Galactica's fighter screen as so leaky that a major target slips through along with plenty of conventional Cylon ordinance. There's not even discussion of firing on the base star.
Actually there is. Both the visuals used towards the end (three Vipers pursuing one Raider) and Viper pilot dialogue (one of them announces making a strafing run; Basestar is the only large target for that) suggests that they were running out of targets.
The Captain's Hand involves a battle at knife-fight range against an enemy made cautious by the lack of a Resurrection Ship.
See 33 for an example of standard Cylon range. The miniseries battle was long-range apparently. The knife-fight thing is deceptive, in fact; there are two rapid camera switches for Pegasus taking the nuke hit and the Basestar taking the hit from Pegasus' main battery that make them seem closer than then they are. If anything, the battle was fought at a longer range then Cylons usually do, based on the visuals from the scene where Pegasus jumps.
The Cylon system is a good one, I don't disagree on that subject, but it's predicated on overwhelming the Colonials with targets and delievering a rapid knockout blow while they're still in task overload. It does not seem to stand up well to a pitched battle.
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So what do you guys usually drink when you watch Galactica? (taking suggestions for tonight)
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So what do you guys usually drink when you watch Galactica? (taking suggestions for tonight)
Pepsi Cola.
Sometimes flavored with JD.
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I turn coke into rum.Much better than wine. :3
--that was iamzack. I am jesus, in some circles, hence the coke-into-rum water-into-wine joke. anyway, we got one vote for Jack'n'Coke
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Orange juice.
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Try this one:
the Callymotxo!
So here’s how to make one:
1. Two parts tequila
2. One part triple-sec
3. One or two parts cranberry juice
4. Fill with Coca-Cola
alternative:
The PPC
You need for ALL variants Strohrum ( 80% ), as alternative Absinthe.
Here we go:
4 shots Strohrum/ Absinthe
and mix with ONE of the following:
Steiner variant:
2 shots crème de menthe
Davion variant:
2 shots Whiskey or Tequila
Kurita variant:
2 shots Sake
Liao variant:
2 shots plum wine
Marik variant:
2 shots Ouzo
Grab a seat and drink fast. After a few min the feeling on your tongue will reach your brain, so BE CAREFUL!!
It's probably better to drink that AFTER the show. :D
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Whoa man, didn't pack enough heat sinks to go for PPCs on tonight's loadout
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Yeah, it's better to have a MFB around...just in case :D
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It does raise the question of how the Cylons would have fared had they not managed to infiltrate the colonies, from what I've seen, without that advantage the BattleStar fleet would have pretty much torn the Cylons to pieces, since a single Battlestar seems capable of engaging multiple Basestars without too much trouble, even the Galactica, an old vessel badly in need of repair and with limited fighter compliment was ok with tackling two of them at once, and two Battlestars were quite happy with jumping into the middle of a Cylon battlegroup and gutting it.
Basestars are not just battleships though, they seem to be more like a cross between a missile boat, a carrier, and a yaht. From what we've seen of the inside, the Cylons put a lot of effort making sure it was comfortable.
We also aren't entirely sure how many baseships the Cylons had in total, and if what we are seeing in the show is just an expeditionary force.
Who would that be? Kobol is the birthplace of Humanity, both the Cylons and the Humans lived there. Although the thirteenth tribe left a little earlier, as I recall... Although I might have forgotten something.
Oh well.
All will be revealed.
Yes, but that still leaves the question of who nuked Earth. That episode raised a lot more questions than it answered, like how the hell did the final five resurrect and end up who knows how many light years away? I'm still wondering about the details on Kobol.
Fankwankery about the effectiveness of Raiders one way or another is pretty pointless for now, but my gut feeling is that the raider/base ship teamup is very powerful -- much like today's carriers.
The Raiders lack of effectiveness can probably be explained just by its multi-role nature. It has 3 kinds of duty:
1.) scouting, since it has a built in long range FTL drive
2.) raiding, since it can carry many nuclear missiles that can put any unsuspecting ship in a world of hurt
3.) cannon fodder. If the battlestar's guns are focused on them then they can't block the basestars missile salvos as effectively.
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Kosh is right, basestars are hardly full fledged warships. They have no point defenses, and no anti cap weapons outside of obscene numbers of nukes. Although to be fair, the lack of point defenses can probably be explained away by the fact that vipers do not seem very efficient with anything outside of dogfighting.
Battlestars can lay down a ton of flak, but their anti cap weapons seem a bit less effective than that of a basestar, but then basestars definately have weaker armor... Agh, this is hurting my brain.
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It's also worth keeping in mind that the Cylons did use their ships for exploration during their unilateral cease fire, until they found new caprica. That leads me to believe that they never intended to go for a full head to head confrontation against the colonials besides the nuking of the colonies.
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last nights ep was kind of a vomit fest. i nominate if for one of the worst eps ever.
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last nights ep was kind of a vomit fest. i nominate if for one of the worst eps ever.
and yet it still had some moments, like blackmailing Zarek with actual laundry reports as the "dirty laundry" and smoking in the medical room followed by "she'll live"
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Gotta say, every time Zarek shows up my head hits the table. I hate that character and all his stupid, pointless, petty powermongering. And not even in a “love to hate” kind of way.
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Kosh is right, basestars are hardly full fledged warships. They have no point defenses, and no anti cap weapons outside of obscene numbers of nukes. Although to be fair, the lack of point defenses can probably be explained away by the fact that vipers do not seem very efficient with anything outside of dogfighting.
Basestars are carriers, it seems like.
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last nights ep was kind of a vomit fest. i nominate if for one of the worst eps ever.
It feels like it would only take them two or three episodes to reveal everything in a good way, but they have to stretch it all out for ten.
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I'll just leave this here...
(http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk164/noodlezombie/Random%20Images/freespace.jpg)
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What's interesting is how complex Zarek actually is as a character. He's greedy and power-grabbing, but at the same time actually does believe in what he's preaching.
For instance, allowing ship captain's to decide if Cylons were allowed aboard their ships completely undermines his federal authority and sets up a precedent for a more balkanized fleet political structure. Yet, it seems like he did this because he honestly did feel that it belonged in the hands of the ships. (of course he's done enough wheeling and dealing that this change of policy wouldn't hurt his own personal power...)
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He's almost an anarchist, and pisses me off.
The middle of ****ing space is no place for city-state-ships. Especially when they are mostly specialized and stuff. >.<
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last nights ep was kind of a vomit fest. i nominate if for one of the worst eps ever.
It feels like it would only take them two or three episodes to reveal everything in a good way, but they have to stretch it all out for ten.
there are only 8 more eps right correct? they better be ****ing awesome!
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Hey, if they are I won't complain. I personally thought this week' s (2nd of 10) was a bit slow, but the previous one was good. Hopefully it won't become a trend.
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Damn, did anyone see tonight's?
They're back in the awesome saddle as far as I'm concerned.
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I believe today's episode can accurately be described as one of the most massive Charlie Foxtrots in the history of the ragtag fleet...
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Seconded, I mean... holy frak, right?
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HOLY CRAP.
THAT WAS CAPSLOCK FANTASTIC.
So many awesome moments.
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I'm happy to see everybody is back to being hardcore again.
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"ive got balls of steel"
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I've got ron rico and sobe and have just watched the webisodes. Interesting. I'll have to see where they conclude in the actual series. Getting season 4 currently, wonder when that'll complete?
EDIT: I love ron rico!!!! My passion for it is retarded. It's the cheapest rum you can buy, but way too similar to bacardi in taste to not justify spending the extra dollars on the more expensive one.
Colonel tigh just sweeping the events of the raptor with gaeta under the carpet seemed highly unrealistic. He could use the excuse that the bad hoshi cylon killed everyone in an attempt to rejoin the non-defected cylons and he survived long enough to kill her over the course of many hours of air running out (seems like she might have been up to that anyway when she made a jump to the not former coordinates the fleet was normally at before the fleet jumped (which is where the fleet jumped back too)).
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For instance, allowing ship captain's to decide if Cylons were allowed aboard their ships completely undermines his federal authority and sets up a precedent for a more balkanized fleet political structure. Yet, it seems like he did this because he honestly did feel that it belonged in the hands of the ships. (of course he's done enough wheeling and dealing that this change of policy wouldn't hurt his own personal power...)
It might have undermined his federal authority, but since that was limited it didn't matter. What that did do was drastically increase his personal power.
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I was blown away. Best episode in a long time. *drool*
The question is now. What happens to Tigh in the next episode?
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Maybe a little deus ex machina from the directors and a resurrection ship materializes?
Not too hopeful (that'd be crap actually), but I am wondering the same thing...
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Resurrection ship is no use without the Hub. Don’t know if they’ve got another one of those lying around or not...
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Resurrection ship is no use without the Hub. Don’t know if they’ve got another one of those lying around or not...
They Cylons don't have any other hub's, at least the seven "known" models.
The final five otoh, we still don't know how or if they resurrect.
Maybe the pass their memories ( or parts of 'em ) to their children.
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My guess is Tigh wakes up the same place where Ellen has been since New Caprica, and possibly in the same place where Kara was resurrected.
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My guess is Tigh wakes up the same place where Ellen has been since New Caprica, and possibly in the same place where Kara was resurrected.
Hm, i have doubts about that Kara has been resurrected ( in the Cylon way ).
This smells more like BoL "resurrection", imo.
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One of the things that really grabbed me in this episode is the fact that I can agree with Gaeta in such a way to actually support the revolution. But at the same time can revolution ever be justified? I wouldn't be alive if it weren't for revolution, hard questions for me anyway. :nod:
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I find myself agreeing more with Admiral Adama. The fleet is still in survival mode, and certain civil liberties are second to survival.
That is one of the greatest things about this episode; the protagonists and antagonists are who you make them.
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Oh... The Adama-Loyalists are seriously screwed up. They don't know who the rebels are and who other loyalists are until they do or do not open fire...
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I dont remember any episodes after season 3. iv got some catching up to do.
Anyone know any sites? :P
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Come on. You know we can't post those sorts of sites, alright?
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Isn't Hulu completely legal?
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Isn't Hulu completely legal?
It looks like it is, but is not available from outside the US. :(
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Man.
Sidereel?
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Man.
Sidereel?
Isn't available outside the US because the videos are on Hulu. :(
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On the Viper-Raider-Basestar-Battlestar issieu.
Watch Season 2, episode 1 again. I see a hundred or more raiders here.
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On the Viper-Raider-Basestar-Battlestar issieu.
Watch Season 2, episode 1 again. I see a hundred or more raiders here.
Yeah, the Vipers were pretty clearly outnumbered. Earlier someone (NGTM-1R?) tried to make the argument that almost all the Raiders were destroyed, since we see 'three Vipers chasing a Raider', but it turns out that was a stock shot from way back in the Miniseries, when all of Galactica's fighter compliment tangled with a handful of Raiders and still couldn't stop the ship from getting nuked.
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Isn't available outside the US because the videos are on Hulu. :(
I'll tell you something. Hulu really sucks for BSG. I found this place instead.
http://www.watchbattlestargalactica.com (http://www.watchbattlestargalactica.com)
It's got some pop ups, don't install zango because you don't need it, and there's not that much bs to cut through besides that. The site is pretty straight forward and offers great streams from other sources.
This site doesn't have the latest season 4 episodes, i just go to scifi.com and click full episodes to get the latest season 4 eps.
This was totally quick and easy for watching season 4 though. Especially since hulu and scifi don't let you watch any of the earlier season 4 eps.
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What the frak, I can't believe nobody's talking about that last episode. Am I the only one who thought it was absolutely fantastic?
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What the frak, I can't believe nobody's talking about that last episode...
We do. Here:
http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,60833.msg1199462/boardseen.html#new