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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Mars on April 20, 2009, 02:20:47 am
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So I have this female friend 17 years old and recently broken up with her boyfriend. Today she expressed a desire to be able to, not fully, but partially fulfill her sexual urges with some type of tool (dildo, vibrator, etc.)
Here's the funny thing - I, or some other over 18 year old, will need to pick one out and buy it for her.
Am I the only one who thinks that a 17 year old girl / woman should be able to buy something to masturbate with? Legally? I think that's a really stupid law that prevents that from happening.
(Just for the record, this isn't supposed to be some type of joke, farse or innuendo, I really do think that this is pretty screwed up)
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You'd think that the people who make the rules would be all for it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwpqJ_ntRSU). :D
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What do you expect from a nation that actively teaches abstinence-only sex ed.?
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Some days I ****ing want your peoples country EDIT: should have been countries, but I had the UK in mind at the time.
And that was great kara XD
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You'd think that the people who make the rules would be all for it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwpqJ_ntRSU). :D
:wakka: That should replace Sex ed
Period.
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Here's the funny thing - I, or some other over 18 year old, will need to pick one out and buy it for her.
That would actually be illegal in the US. There are several things you could be charged with. There was a case near where I live where a mother bought her daughter one and it landed her in jail. Not some misdemeanor either a felony with the whole children serveries involved and everything.
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Here's the funny thing - I, or some other over 18 year old, will need to pick one out and buy it for her.
That would actually be illegal in the US. There are several things you could be charged with. There was a case near where I live where a mother bought her daughter one and it landed her in jail. Not some misdemeanor either a felony with the whole children serveries involved and everything.
Wow, your system IS screwed up
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So I have this female friend 17 years old and recently broken up with her boyfriend. Today she expressed a desire to be able to, not fully, but partially fulfill her sexual urges with some type of tool (dildo, vibrator, etc.)
Here's the funny thing - I, or some other over 18 year old, will need to pick one out and buy it for her.
Am I the only one who thinks that a 17 year old girl / woman should be able to buy something to masturbate with? Legally? I think that's a really stupid law that prevents that from happening.
(Just for the record, this isn't supposed to be some type of joke, farse or innuendo, I really do think that this is pretty screwed up)
Uhh... just a thought, but like, did you ever think to offer to bone down with her instead? If you're a Brit, then it ain't statch.
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Here's the funny thing - I, or some other over 18 year old, will need to pick one out and buy it for her.
That would actually be illegal in the US. There are several things you could be charged with. There was a case near where I live where a mother bought her daughter one and it landed her in jail. Not some misdemeanor either a felony with the whole children serveries involved and everything.
[Mr. Mackey] Sex is bad, m'kay? [/Mr. Mackey]
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Heck there are still a lot of places where it's illegal for adults to buy or sell them. I think the whole state of Texas has a law against the sale of them. There was a big deal made about it a few years back. They were busting housewives for having those sales parties.
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:wakka: That should replace Sex ed
This one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cG-6AP8DIOU&feature=related) is funnier. Just less on topic. :)
Back on topic, I can very easily see buying a vibrator for an underaged girl getting you into just as much hot water as actually having sex with her.
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:wakka: That should replace Sex ed
This one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cG-6AP8DIOU&feature=related) is funnier. Just less on topic. :)
Back on topic, I can very easily see buying a vibrator for an underaged girl getting you into just as much hot water as actually having sex with her.
Seen it :)
And yeah I agree... but the logic behind it, urghhh! I mean as far as what the gift is implying and the innuendo associated with it, at the end of the day, you DIDN'T **** her did you? I'm surprised some adolescent expert/psychologist hasn't jumped all over this one
Uhh... just a thought, but like, did you ever think to offer to bone down with her instead? If you're a Brit, then it ain't statch.
Well she was a "Female Friend"
So officially "No" I'm guessing
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here is a funny one, if she sent you nudie pics of her self she could be charged with child porn charges and arrested for abusing herself.
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here is a funny one, if she sent you nudie pics of her self she could be charged with child porn charges and arrested for abusing herself.
And you could be arrested as an accomplice in the distribution of child porn.
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Buy her a cucumber and tell the Police she's going Vegan.
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Uhh... just a thought, but like, did you ever think to offer to bone down with her instead? If you're a Brit, then it ain't statch.
No I didn't, we're not going out and neither of us would be comfortable with that.
But it's like ya'll pointed out - if I had sex with her it would get me in approximately as much trouble as buying her a sex toy. :wtf:
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I thought the legal age of consent was 16?
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I thought the legal age of consent was 16?
Changes from state to state doesn't it?
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According to the Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America), the of consent in Colorado is in fact 17. So Mars is in the clear.
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I thought the legal age of consent was 16?
Changes from state to state doesn't it?
Doesn't it require parents' consent as well?
I am just guessing, in Poland the law says so... 15 (!) to 18 can get laid, but the parents must know and declare consent. This is totally absurd... Imagine asking your parents-in-law-to-come... "Hey, can I do this with your daughter?" :wtf:
The problem with the law is that it doesn't take into account a girl's (or boy's) puberty. I mean, it starts way before 18. So they are left without means to nullify the sex-stress. Morover, whose parents really talked to children about sex 'n' stuff and how to deal with it? You're left with yourself, your hand or whatever and dichotomy of society and religion (catholics for example... no sex before marriage... masturbation is BAD and stuff... and at the same time half-naked models in the tv or on the billboards - this sucks...)
I say, go buy her something really nice and screw the law. Nobody will know anyway. And it's not like anybody here is gonna sue you or tell the Police about it...
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^^^^^^
What he said
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Yeah, there's no question that I'm going to, I was just hit with the absurdity of it.
I'm actually surprised it says 17 - I've heard all my life it's 18 here, but apparently it's kinda of a jumbled mess of laws regarding that. Adult stores only let you go in at 18
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That's the law for you
I think they should do what pietraz basically said and get with some reliable teenage therapist/shrink and change the law
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The problem with the law is that it barely reflects reality.
For example, do you know, that there is a law which forbids DYING (as in ceasing to live, not putting some dye on your hair) in the Houses of Parliament in the UK? :rolleyes:
That's only the top of an iceberg...
The problem with the sex law (let's call it that way) is that the legislation can't keep up with the social changes. Not to mention there surely is some puritan lobby to be found... No matter where you live. A bunch of spinsters, who never had sex will try to ban it as much as possible. Like a dog in the manger... Won't eat and won't let to eat. Welcome to reality...
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It's not even banning sex at that point. I highly doubt there's anyone out there who's never masturbated, it's hard for me to comprehend anyone fully opposed to it before the age of 18 :doubt:
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It's not even banning sex at that point. I highly doubt there's anyone out there who's never masturbated, it's hard for me to comprehend anyone fully opposed to it before the age of 18 :doubt:
Exactly :)
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Make your own device? Some rules are really stupid, such as a law that forbids dying. If you get caught trying to suicide, what are they going to do? Put you in jail? To some people that could be considered torture. Then again, unless they sedate you or put you in a padded cell with no projections, holes, loose objects, etc. I don't see how they aim to prevent suicide with a rule like that.
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Make your own device? Some rules are really stupid, such as a law that forbids dying. If you get caught trying to suicide, what are they going to do? Put you in jail? To some people that could be considered torture. Then again, unless they sedate you or put you in a padded cell with no projections, holes, loose objects, etc. I don't see how they aim to prevent suicide with a rule like that.
It's not a rule about suicide. It's about death coming when you're in the metioned building. For example you've got a heart attack in the Houses of Parliament. If you die there, you've broken the law. The point is, you're dead, so how are they going to punish you now? The absurdity of law... :roll:
Enough said, that's offtop.
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She's 17 and you are 19 right?... well at your age I wouldn't be thinking about buying the dildo or not... I would be thinking whether she's hitting on me or not.
have you concider that possibility?.. go ask her what she wants because you know... things like that only happen one time, and if you don't take the chance it might not happen again (at least not with the same person).
as for what is being debated about laws against sexual content for children, well I'm guessing no law is gonna stop a child that wants to get it's hand on that kind of thing and as we can see.. there's always someone that can help for whatever reason.
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According to the Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America), the of consent in Colorado is in fact 17. So Mars is in the clear.
Huh. Oral sex was legalized in Canada in '69.
:lol:
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In North Carolina, you can start sleeping around at 16, but you aren't even allowed into a sex shop until you are 18.
Priorities, eh?
Oh, and our teachers and counselors at school aren't allowed to tell us about condoms.
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Yeah, you'd think adults would tell them about condoms if they're having legalized sex at 16. This whole thing is looking more and more ****ed up.
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Make your own device? Some rules are really stupid, such as a law that forbids dying. If you get caught trying to suicide, what are they going to do? Put you in jail? To some people that could be considered torture. Then again, unless they sedate you or put you in a padded cell with no projections, holes, loose objects, etc. I don't see how they aim to prevent suicide with a rule like that.
It's not a rule about suicide. It's about death coming when you're in the metioned building. For example you've got a heart attack in the Houses of Parliament. If you die there, you've broken the law. The point is, you're dead, so how are they going to punish you now? The absurdity of law... :roll:
Enough said, that's offtop.
That's even worse than I thought...
Yeah, you'd think adults would tell them about condoms if they're having legalized sex at 16. This whole thing is looking more and more ****ed up.
Lucky in Australia - they have "sex ed" programs for schools, the earliest being year 9 as far as I can remember, although sometimes that isn't early enough.
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What do you expect from a state that actively teaches abstinence-only sex ed.?
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Perhaps its because I live in godless pinko commie New England but our sex ed policy was not abstinence only. The Decisions class was pretty cheesy but it certainly was informative and not driven off some archaic scare tactics.
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@Enigmatic
That's right, and it's a helluva lot better than abstinence only programs. They don't "Force" anything upon you
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It's not even banning sex at that point. I highly doubt there's anyone out there who's never masturbated, it's hard for me to comprehend anyone fully opposed to it before the age of 18 :doubt:
Perspective check; you're talking to a board of computer nerds. I highly doubt you'll find anyone to disagree with you on masturbation.
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It's not even banning sex at that point. I highly doubt there's anyone out there who's never masturbated, it's hard for me to comprehend anyone fully opposed to it before the age of 18 :doubt:
Perspective check; you're talking to a board of computer nerds. I highly doubt you'll find anyone to disagree with you on masturbation.
Well, do you actually know anyone who disagrees with it?
I read some survey a while ago and something like 100% of Teenagers at age 17 in the survey had seen pr0n once, and this was in Sydney if I recall
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My health (drugs, exercise, and sex-ed in one class) once said that the only bad thing that could possibly happen to a guy for masturbating is a slightly sore... y'know.
I guess my school is weird- a different teacher said that the real way to know you're ready for sex is if you can walk into a store, and get the nerve to buy your own condoms.
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I guess my school is weird- a different teacher said that the real way to know you're ready for sex is if you can walk into a store, and get the nerve to buy your own condoms.
That's pretty good actually. :D
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Perspective check; you're talking to a board of computer nerds.
OBJECTION!!
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.joystiq.com/media/2006/06/phoenix-wright_objection.jpg)
I don't consider myself a nerd... I just play for fun. And, frankly, I think it's safe to say that there are many, many more who are just here for the fun of game :P
As for if anybody hadn't masturbated; I am 100% sure that some paranoid puritan freaks didn't...
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Perspective check; you're talking to a board of computer nerds.
OBJECTION!!
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.joystiq.com/media/2006/06/phoenix-wright_objection.jpg)
I don't consider myself a nerd... I just play for fun. And, frankly, I think it's safe to say that there are many, many more who are just here for the fun of game :P
As for if anybody hadn't masturbated; I am 100% sure that some paranoid puritan freaks didn't...
What you just posted does in fact prove you are a giant nerd.
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Actually, I know of a few people who don't/haven't masturbated.
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Actually, I know of a few people who don't/haven't masturbated.
including yourself, you freak!
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But I have masturbated. I just prefer not to because sex is better.
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What you just posted does in fact prove you are a giant nerd.
Because I have a DS? Sheesh, if that's how you label people, then so be it...
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Perspective check; you're talking to a board of computer nerds.
OBJECTION!!
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.joystiq.com/media/2006/06/phoenix-wright_objection.jpg)
I don't consider myself a nerd... I just play for fun. And, frankly, I think it's safe to say that there are many, many more who are just here for the fun of game :P
As for if anybody hadn't masturbated; I am 100% sure that some paranoid puritan freaks didn't...
Extra props for the /b reference, which in itself, makes you a nerd. Deal with it.
Everyone else: Having seen porn by the age of 17 does not equal masturbation or being in a habit of masturbation. It means you've seen porn. You also don't need to be fanatically religious to not masturbate, though I'm sure it helps to some degree.
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Yea the laws get even stranger. Even though the age of consent may be 16 say you are 17 and have a girlfriend that is 16. You can have sex until you turn 18 and she is 17 then it's illegal again. Just an example and I know it varies from state to state.
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Everyone else: Having seen porn by the age of 17 does not equal masturbation or being in a habit of masturbation. It means you've seen porn. You also don't need to be fanatically religious to not masturbate, though I'm sure it helps to some degree.
Yeah but if you're not watching it for that or watching it with a partner you are fooling around with, then why the hell are you watching it? The plot? Cinematography? Just really find O-faces funny?
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Extra props for the /b reference, which in itself, makes you a nerd. Deal with it.
Because I masturbated when I was pubescent? :roll: Sure, I did that, I won't deny. Who cares? I have a girlfriend now, so whatever.
Never mind, we are getting offtopic here.
@iamzack - so true ^^
Back to condoms and sex-ed: it was freaked where I live. I remember not going on the classes (you didn't have to), cause at the time it was more like a disinformation rather than education. "Don't do it before wedding" "Love comes first" "Contraception is a sin" and stuff like that, instead of giving some proper advice on how to deal with your body. That was about 10-12 years ago and I observe, with great dose of relief, that they have dropped it now. Sex-ed is now what it should be in the first place. I just wanted to show how absurd some things can get.
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Lucky in Australia - they have "sex ed" programs for schools, the earliest being year 9 as far as I can remember, although sometimes that isn't early enough.
Year 5 here in Canada. I like our school system up here, I haven't witnessed any religious indoctrination here, it's very liberal.
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The abstinence BS is directed primarily at girls. Slut-shaming and the like.
It's a waste of time. My health class last year had one pregnant girl and three girls who had already been pregnant. All four of them were in ninth grade.
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I know a couple of girls who haven't masturbated also.
well I knew would be the correct word... now they surely have done more than just that.
It's not that weird.. for men sex is more banal and shallow thing but for a shy woman-girl (more girl that woman) it's a different thing...
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How would you know?
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It's not that weird.. for men sex is more banal and shallow thing but for a shy woman-girl (more girl that woman) it's a different thing...
:wtf:
That's a sexist remark... I love my girl and I don't consider our sex shallow or banal...
I know a couple of girls though, whom I'd rather don't know, who see sex as nice "sport"...
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I've had sex with one person in my life, and it was one of the deepest and most emotional experiences I've had.
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I've had sex with one person in my life, and it was one of the deepest and most emotional experiences I've had.
Yeah, I have a friend who has sex while on acid, too!
An experience to be reckoned with, apparently.
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Lucky in Australia - they have "sex ed" programs for schools, the earliest being year 9 as far as I can remember, although sometimes that isn't early enough.
Year 5 here in Canada. I like our school system up here, I haven't witnessed any religious indoctrination here, it's very liberal.
I had forgotten about that. Grade 5 they started...and then again in Grade 7 or 8. Again in Grade 9. Most of the group were pretty silly/awkward about the whole thing during each of the stages but ultimately it worked I think.
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I've had sex with one person in my life, and it was one of the deepest and most emotional experiences I've had.
so when are you getting out of the jail then
bada-tshh
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I've had sex with one person in my life, and it was one of the deepest and most emotional experiences I've had.
so when are you getting out of the jail then
bada-tshh
Nice zing. :lol:
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Everyone else: Having seen porn by the age of 17 does not equal masturbation or being in a habit of masturbation. It means you've seen porn. You also don't need to be fanatically religious to not masturbate, though I'm sure it helps to some degree.
Just really find O-faces funny?
qft.
The abstinence BS is directed primarily at girls. Slut-shaming and the like.
It's a waste of time. My health class last year had one pregnant girl and three girls who had already been pregnant. All four of them were in ninth grade.
Someone went to high school on the south side of town...
Oh, and for that other guy. Fapping doesn't make you a nerd. Linking internet memes makes you a nerd.
PS: congrats on your gf bro, let us know how her boobies feel.
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Lucky in Australia - they have "sex ed" programs for schools, the earliest being year 9 as far as I can remember, although sometimes that isn't early enough.
Year 5 here in Canada. I like our school system up here, I haven't witnessed any religious indoctrination here, it's very liberal.
I had forgotten about that. Grade 5 they started...and then again in Grade 7 or 8. Again in Grade 9. Most of the group were pretty silly/awkward about the whole thing during each of the stages but ultimately it worked I think.
It's actually all the way through until 9th grade now, with regular classes starting in 7th.
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I've had it since grade 4. Now THAT was awkward :D
Now everyone just cracks questionable jokes and gets on with it.
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I didn't count that, cause it's more about the pregnancy side rather than the sex.
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Well, it's still sex ed. You can't have a natural pregnancy without sex.
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Oh, and for that other guy. Fapping doesn't make you a nerd. Linking internet memes makes you a nerd.
PS: congrats on your gf bro, let us know how her boobies feel.
That "other guy" has a name, actually. Or nick, if you prefer. Whatever. :rolleyes:
Listen, I am not gonna argue with you, cause I disdain flaming and arguments such as those. Even though you tried to insult me. Or rather my GF to be precise... Hope you feel better.
Back to the topic.
Oh, and yeah, they do feel good, bro, take my word for it.
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Oh, and for that other guy. Fapping doesn't make you a nerd. Linking internet memes makes you a nerd.
PS: congrats on your gf bro, let us know how her boobies feel.
That "other guy" has a name, actually. Or nick, if you prefer. Whatever. :rolleyes:
Listen, I am not gonna argue with you, cause I disdain flaming and arguments such as those. Even though you tried to insult me. Or rather my GF to be precise... Hope you feel better.
Back to the topic.
Oh, and yeah, they do feel good, bro, take my word for it.
I find this person hilarious. He seems very attached to his nickname, is insulted when not referred to by name, and continues to insist that he is not a nerd using all the wrong examples. I have news for Mr. Cool here - Nobody cares.
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Blackhole has 666 posts.
Anyhow, sane sex education summed up: Use condoms. In the case of condom failure, use contraceptives. Don't do somebody unless you trust that person.
Yet, as simple as this is, schools still mess it up.
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Blackhole has 666 posts.
Anyhow, sane sex education summed up: Use condoms. In the case of condom failure, use contraceptives. Don't do somebody unless you trust that person.
Yet, as simple as this is, schools still mess it up.
As did you.
Safe sex:
-Both parties need to verbally consent.
-Know your partner's sexual history. Trust has little to do with it, because even someone you trust may omit something. ASK.
-Use two forms of birth control to prevent pregnancy (condom is one, but you need another).
-Apply condoms PROPERLY to prevent STI/STDs***
***This is the big one. Most young men and women think you just shove it on, but there is an actual method to proper condom application that isn't taught in most schools.
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Blackhole has 666 posts.
Anyhow, sane sex education summed up: Use condoms. In the case of condom failure, use contraceptives. Don't do somebody unless you trust that person.
Yet, as simple as this is, schools still mess it up.
As did you.
Safe sex:
-Both parties need to verbally consent.
-Know your partner's sexual history. Trust has little to do with it, because even someone you trust may omit something. ASK.
-Use two forms of birth control to prevent pregnancy (condom is one, but you need another).
-Apply condoms PROPERLY to prevent STI/STDs***
***This is the big one. Most young men and women think you just shove it on, but there is an actual method to proper condom application that isn't taught in most schools.
Most of that stuff is part of my original summary. Consent and history falls under trust, whereas the birth control and condom usage are part of the... condom and contraceptives part of the summary.
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Blackhole has 666 posts.
That means as long as I only post in general discussion I will be ALL-POWERFUL!
MUAHAHAHAHAHA
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Lucky in Australia - they have "sex ed" programs for schools, the earliest being year 9 as far as I can remember, although sometimes that isn't early enough.
Yes. We had some in primary school, as well. In year 9, we had to pick at least two PE or Health lessons in the year if we had done no other ones already, so I did Health in first semester in that year.
I still remember that sex and pregnancy documentary we watched where they had all the cameras in the body - I averted my eyes when they showed them having sex (I think that's what it was, and if I recall correctly, it was inside) and when the woman was giving birth. :lol:
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I find this person hilarious. He seems very attached to his nickname, is insulted when not referred to by name, and continues to insist that he is not a nerd using all the wrong examples. I have news for Mr. Cool here - Nobody cares.
Neither do I, so what's the deal? I'm new at this forum and I don't know you people yet. As I see it, it's just one big misunderstanding. So please, cease fire...
If I'm a nerd to you - so be it. I can live with it.
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I find this person hilarious. He seems very attached to his nickname, is insulted when not referred to by name, and continues to insist that he is not a nerd using all the wrong examples. I have news for Mr. Cool here - Nobody cares.
Neither do I, so what's the deal? I'm new at this forum and I don't know you people yet. As I see it, it's just one big misunderstanding. So please, cease fire...
If I'm a nerd to you - so be it. I can live with it.
I don't think this person realizes that I'm going to refer to him in 3rd person for the rest of the year :P
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Likewise, mister :rolleyes:
See if I care :P
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Likewise, mister :rolleyes:
See if I care :P
YOU WILL FALL BEFORE THE MIGHT OF 666 POSTS
ok I'm done now. BACK ON TOPIC :lol:
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Topic? Oh, yeah, sex stuff.
Abstinence-only is kinda dangerous to gay kids especially, as far as STDs go. They spread more rapidly among gays (especially guys) because of the idea "well, we can't get pregnant, so I guess we don't need condoms!"
All that retarded bull**** about how the AIDS virus will go through condoms... *sigh*
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Heard that crap too. "No matter if you use condoms, AIDS is going to get to you anyway". That's exactly why we need sex-ed being taught at schools. Otherwise, other myths about AIDS are going to spread even wider. "Don't sit next to them, don't breathe the same air" blah blah blah, all that stuff. Or labeling them as some lepers. "Touch them and bang, you're it". Appalling...
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tl;dr the other pages
Sex-ed is already being taught...
We/You need PROPER sex-ed
Abstinence only isn't going around here which is a good thing, but the thing is I feel schools, or teachers need to take into account their class when they present their lessons and adjust accordingly. iamzack's "derro" class obviously isn't going to benefit from abstinence only, so
- Curriculum Change
- Teacher takes into account students
- Students get taught about STI's without shock/scare therapy, students discuss with each other and are taught REAL ways to avoid being pressured into sex and the "Cause and Effect" of sex
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We/You need PROPER sex-ed
Missed the "proper" word, true :P
But then again, it shouldn't be called sex-ed if it's not proper, right?
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abstinence-only is NOT sex-ed. it is antisex-ed.
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abstinence-only is NOT sex-ed. it is antisex-ed.
QFT!
We/You need PROPER sex-ed
Missed the "proper" word, true :P
But then again, it shouldn't be called sex-ed if it's not proper, right?
Exactly, to what Turambar said, Abstinence only ISN'T sex-ed
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Abstinence only ISN'T sex-ed
True.
But it's also the only 100%, foolproof way of avoiding STD's and unwanted pregnancies.
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Abstinence only ISN'T sex-ed
True.
But it's also the only 100%, foolproof way of avoiding STD's and unwanted pregnancies.
unless you live 2000 years ago and your name is Mary
it also never works, because people always have sex. the ones who have self control are the ones who wouldnt be getting any anyways.
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it also never works, because people always have sex. the ones who have self control are the ones who wouldnt be getting any anyways.
Beg differ.
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Abstinence Only doesn't work because while it may have some effect on the average age at which people start having sex it means that once they do, they have very little clue on how to prevent pregnancies or STIs or of the ramifications of either.
The end result is an increase in unwanted pregnancies and STIs.
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And really, who WANTS to practice Sexual Abstinence anyway?
You're dealing with TEENAGERS, the most rebellious age group to contend with (usually, and through their portrayal in the media)
And when considering these guys are dripping with testosterone, who the **** thought about abstinence only?
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People who don't remember what being a teenager was like for the most part.
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And really, who WANTS to practice Sexual Abstinence anyway?
You're dealing with TEENAGERS, the most rebellious age group to contend with (usually, and through their portrayal in the media)
And when considering these guys are dripping with testosterone, who the **** thought about abstinence only?
I did. Worked great for me. :) Happily married now.
I do think that abstinence is a realistic option, even for horny teenagers.
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Oh I dunno man, I AM a horny teenager :P And so is about 95% of all 15 year old males in developed countries I'd guess.
Porn, the media, and peer pressure don't make it anyyyyyyy easier
Abstinence is something one needs to come to terms with rather than it being forced down our necks.
As long as you'd screw the person drunk or sober and you feel like you have some kind of connection to them... Sex is Sex.
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I know personally a number of people who don't have sex. It's not because they are religious or because of abstinence-only education. They are just uninterested in having sex right now.
So drop the "horny teenager" stereotype.
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Abstinence Only doesn't work because while it may have some effect on the average age at which people start having sex it means that once they do, they have very little clue on how to prevent pregnancies or STIs or of the ramifications of either.
The end result is an increase in unwanted pregnancies and STIs.
^^^THIS.
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Abstinence only ISN'T sex-ed
True.
But it's also the only 100%, foolproof way of avoiding STD's
Unless you get into a fistfight with someone who has AIDS, or something.
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People who don't remember what being a teenager was like for the most part.
Or people who have more control over their hormons than most. Mind over matter.
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But 99% of the population WILL act on the impulses programmed into them, that's why the Church is so hot on abstinence, nothing fills the confession boxes like an unachievable goal.
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Or people who have more control over their hormons than most. Mind over matter.
So if they know that they have more control over their hormones than most why are they insisting that everyone else can have the same amount of control?
Besides, it could be that they simply have less hormones to start with and the belief they have more control is just that.
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On the other hand, if you are responsible enough not to get pregnant when you don't want to or get a disease, you shouldn't *have* to control your hormones so much. If you want to have sex, go find someone who also wants to have sex. If you regret it later, that's unfortunate. But people regret a lot of things, so no biggie.
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Abstinence Only doesn't work because while it may have some effect on the average age at which people start having sex it means that once they do, they have very little clue on how to prevent pregnancies or STIs or of the ramifications of either.
The end result is an increase in unwanted pregnancies and STIs.
^^^THIS.
Seconded once more. Hope Trashman reads in depth.
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This is about birth control pills but its still got a similar point.
Lucy: Aren't these like giving me permission to have sex?
Mom: When's the last time you asked me permission to do something stupid?
Lucy: Oh.
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Seconded once more. Hope Trashman reads in depth.
Mayhaps you should re-read my posts.
I never did say anything against SexEd....
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This is about birth control pills but its still got a similar point.
Lucy: Aren't these like giving me permission to have sex?
Mom: When's the last time you asked me permission to do something stupid?
Lucy: Oh.
Oh HELL no. You did not just reference Better Days...x_X
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Abstinence-only Sex-ed only leaves you with questions. They don't even give us a free condom, dammit. And I need one. (My new neighbor is awesome :pimp: )
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Even if you ask where you can get condoms, they aren't allowed to tell you here.
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Even if you ask where you can get condoms, they aren't allowed to tell you here.
This = stupid.
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Abstinence only ISN'T sex-ed
True.
But it's also the only 100%, foolproof way of avoiding STD's and unwanted pregnancies.
QFT, because this is the best thing you've said in a while.
Abstinence only ISN'T sex-ed
True.
But it's also the only 100%, foolproof way of avoiding STD's and unwanted pregnancies.
unless you live 2000 years ago and your name is Mary
it also never works, because people always have sex. the ones who have self control are the ones who wouldnt be getting any anyways.
Yes, because people are always having sex, all the time, from the moment they hit puberty. And if they're not, well we all know they want to, so its just because they can't get any.
Really we should be teaching our children to make themselves uglier, so that they can't have sex even if they want to. It's the only 100% foolproof way of both keeping them from STD's and unwanted pregnancies, as well as giving them some kind of education.
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Ugly people have sex too, actually. What we need to do is show them the bible and tell them it's nonfiction.
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The cool thing about abstinence is that anyone can do it! You don't even have to be religious. You could just like, not be down to ****. All the time.
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I know personally a number of people who don't have sex. It's not because they are religious or because of abstinence-only education. They are just uninterested in having sex right now.
So drop the "horny teenager" stereotype.
As I said, it's something you need to come to terms with yourself, rather than some Health teacher forcing it down your neck.
Really we should be teaching our children to make themselves uglier, so that they can't have sex even if they want to. It's the only 100% foolproof way of both keeping them from STD's and unwanted pregnancies, as well as giving them some kind of education.
I get that vibe from my mum when she deals with my sister :nervous:
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The cool thing about abstinence is that anyone can do it! You don't even have to be religious. You could just like, not be down to ****. All the time.
Ech. I suppose I could... I went without for like two months about a year ago. It was miserable. It would be like trying to cut out meat from my diet. I don't need it, but I really, really like it. :]
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You know if I had a snowball's chance in hell of getting laid, I'd probably do it.
But I don't.
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That is the source of your unhappiness, Mr. Bunny Wabbit.
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You know if I had a snowball's chance in hell of getting laid, I'd probably do it.
But I don't.
Oh I'll hook you up with someone.
Does bad breath, rotting teeth, and the tendency to sell illegal substance to everyone who comes their way bother you? Oh... don't get me started about the ass :lol:
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You know if I had a snowball's chance in hell of getting laid, I'd probably do it.
But I don't.
Oh I'll hook you up with someone.
Does bad breath, rotting teeth, and the tendency to sell illegal substance to everyone who comes their way bother you? Oh... don't get me started about the ass :lol:
Let me rephrase that: If I had a snowball's chance in hell of getting laid with someone who I actually liked, I'd probably do it.
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That's more like it :yes:
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Let me rephrase that: If I had a snowball's chance in hell of getting laid with someone who I actually liked, I'd probably do it.
Boy do I know that feeling.
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I don't want to get laid right now.
I want to get drunk
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I want to get drunk and laid. And then laid some more.
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*Scotty is annoyed by the legal age for drinking
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*Scotty is annoyed by the legal age for drinking
I don't really pay attention to the legal age for drinking
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I've been actively disregarding it for like 5 years.
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I don't want to get laid right now.
I want to get drunk
I like your style.
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That says something because getting drunk is at the VERY LEAST as destructive as getting laid.
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i am drynk now
no sex though
:(
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abstinence-only is NOT sex-ed. it is antisex-ed.
It is also statistically proven that it doesn't keep people from having sex,
but increases the propability that people have unprotected sex (i.e. no proper sex ed. = clueless).
Did a paper on the whole thing a while back and the data available for US teenage pregnancies supported that scenario as well.
Teenage pregnancies in the US were way up there in comparison to all other industrialized western countries and especially way higher than in "supposedly sinful Europe" lol.
So yeah... great plan. Teach em ignorrance, err abstinence! only leads to higher STD infection risk and teenage pregancies. Great plan! NOT.
Made for a very entertaining presentation ;)
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As I pointed out (in a more roundabout fashion) on another thread. WTF do people who advocate abstinence only sex-ed think is going to happen even in the best case scenario where people educated in this fashion do wait until they get married?
They still won't have a clue about contraception after all.
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I think most of us can agree, religion holds society back as a whole.
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I think most of us can agree, religion holds society back as a whole.
I do not.
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I think most of us can agree, religion holds society back as a whole.
I do not.
I'm not talking in belief, rather the controlling/twisting religion aspect.
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Ah, I see. My apologies.
Seems a lot of other people talk about both.
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If you wanna believe in god, it's fine by me, but don't change the rules to oppress me, or suit your personal prejudices.
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i am drynk now
no sex though
:(
i feel you
right there baby
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legal age for drinking... its legal for you to drink as soon as you can hold up the bottle yourself.
on a more serious note, i've been drinking since my 15th-16th birthday. dunno. wasnt fun much now that i look back on it..
after my 18th birthday where i got literally... well, 10 liters of beer and the downing a quarter litre of brandy explain anything? stonewall is nothing.
anyways, after that, its rather odd for me to drink even one beer in a month... tho, when i have the moneys i go to a local pub and buy me some weston's cider. oh cider i love thee soooo :p the fun part? its almost 3 and some euros per half-litre... gah.
off for some westons tomorrow dammit XD
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something related to the original topic: isn't it kind of unfair that there's stuff for girls, and not men? (And further more- stuff you can get that's not suspicous?)
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Iunno. I don't think so. I think it's that there's more of a market for the type of thing females would use for masturbation as opposed to what men would use. Men can use "girl toys" if tht's what they're into, but otherwise I guess there's, like, the masturbation sleeves?
Porn is made for men rather than women, so I guess it balances out.
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Actually studies have shown that more women watch porn then men at least on the net.
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Eehhh... I'm not sure I believe that.
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I'm sure some guys make up for some of that just by sheer quantity.
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It's more important for women to have access to sex toys, because orgasm isn't an easy skill for all women (unlike most men.) Furthermore, men aren't all that naturally well-equipped to bring women to orgasm, so sex toys can be important for new lovers of both sexes.
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Can I claim off-topic here?
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I'm sure some guys make up for some of that just by sheer quantity.
Definitely, women can never "risk" saving it :P
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Can I claim off-topic here?
Given that the first post is about sex toys?
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Honestly she started talking about wanting one when we were both drunk and watching random porn (I didn't touch the computer, it was all her)
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Can I claim off-topic here?
Given that the first post is about sex toys?
That's why it was a question.
@Mars: Sure it was. :rolleyes:
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@Mars: Sure it was. :rolleyes:
Not as unbelievable as you might think. :P
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I notice a trend in humanity in general...
Any time there is Random Dumb ****™ happening to people that is retold first or third hand, it usually involves:
- Alcohol
- Narcotics
- Amphetimines
- Alcohol
- Being Drunk
and by Random Dumb ****™, I mean things you would expect to hear about Rednecks doing from the Local News.
Things like this are why I don't drink and don't really fraternize with the opposite sex, nothing but trouble....
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That's exactly why I do drink and fraternize with the opposite sex.
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Honestly, how does that even qualify as dumb ****? No one was hurt, no property was destroyed, no feelings were harmed. Nothing bad happened to anything but our livers.
I would never go on amphetamines, and narcotic pain killers don't work for me (as I found out after surgery).
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Any time there is Random Dumb ****™ happening to people that is retold first or third hand, it usually involves:
- Alcohol
- Narcotics
- Amphetimines
- Alcohol
- Being Drunk
- SEX
Any possibility of sex is a good one :P
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I notice a trend in humanity in general...
Any time there is Random Dumb ****™ happening to people that is retold first or third hand, it usually involves:
- Alcohol
- Narcotics
- Amphetimines
- Alcohol
- Being Drunk
and by Random Dumb ****™, I mean things you would expect to hear about Rednecks doing from the Local News.
Things like this are why I don't drink and don't really fraternize with the opposite sex, nothing but trouble....
Why alcohol is written twice? And amphetamine is considered a drug after all, so why written separately?
Besides, if you drink till you drop, it's obviously not good. But for example, I like to drink a glass or two of some wine once in a while. Then again, I don't consider myself doing some Random Dumb ****™ after that... Is it that you're prejudiced against alcohol? I mean, everything's for people. Just be responsible and everything will be cool.