[Top Gun]

Originally posted by Bobboau
I was never well informed about the whole Pinochet thing, could you point me to some information on it, preferably not an anti-american novel

Will the federation of American Scientists do?

Originally posted by Bobboau
our suport for Sadam in the eightys was becase we thought of him as the lesser of two evils (the other being Iran).

If you look at the history of the Iraqi revolution you will see that is was an Arabic Nationalist response to the shocking treatment of the Arabs by the Allies following on from the Second world war. Saddam Hussain is the successor to Ahmad Hasan al-Bakr and the Stalin of the Ba'ath Party. The US helped Saddam to power because he was more keen to part with Iraq's vast oil reserves for cash than his predecessor.

Originally posted by Bobboau
you wouldn't be refering to Ashcroft would you?
I don't like him ether, wich is why I would like to get all the waring done quick so we can get a Democrat back in to fix all the stuff bush has ****ed up.

Why perpetuate a systen across the world that allows people like him into government. Yes, he's not allowed to impose his daft will on the population. But if America is a true democracy, then it would have to be said that he represents a sizeable proportion of the American Population. People holding such daft beliefs and inflicting them on their childeren make useless all the costitutional freedom.

[vyper]

Originally posted by Top Gun


What a load of unbelievably inane drivel. I'm sure that The Super Rich of Britain lived in the Most Vulgarly Excessive way possible, that surpassed the super rich of all other nations and previous generation. The majority of the population was more impoverished than anyone else had ever been.



Of course, the empire didn't make a scrap of difference to the lives of most of the British population (apart from strengthening the state, making it harder for them to revolt), it made a huge difference to the Lives of the people in the occupied territories though, a negative one.



Trade, yes, forced trade, and that counts as plundering. Any country which refused to trade was blockaded, bombarded and sometimes invaded. This trade starved most of Southern India and Island to death, because all of their grain had been "traded".






What a load of complete crap, you're starting to sound like a daily mail columist now. NO IT DIDN'T. If by improved, you mean starved, impoverished, enslaved, occupied, humiliated then yes. Oh but it managed to convert them into Christians

Whether you and I agree on the Empire's past or not is irrelevant - what is relevant is that if not for the Empire, the UK would not have the world influence it has today. We came out of it quite well considering the stress the empire came under during and after ww2.  It served Britain well, thats all that matters to me.

[Razor]

CP, no one gives you (Americans) the authority to decide what's justice. If a man is killed by an American he is to be punished as the justice (not made by Americans) demands. Who the **** gave the authority to Bush to demmand an excuse in the International War crime tribunal. Who the **** is going to put Clinton, Madlen Albreit and Tony Blair to trial for killing 2000 Serbs in 1999? Who is going to put to the trial the Albanian TERRORIST leaders (which are supported by AMERICA) who slaughtered hundreds of thousonds of Serbs on Kosovo and Metohia. Oh did I just say that America suports terrorism? Oh I think I did. What do you think of that?

Oh and by the way, wasn't America the one who financialy aided Al Q and Afghanistan in their war against Russia? I think Top Gun mentioned something like that.
I didn't know that America supported Sadam. Good job. *Remembers the issue of America's plan to attack Sadam*

Oh and Bobboau, on which side are you? First you say that you should repeat that you did 60 years ago and on the other hand you say that you should help countries and free them. Oh you helped us allright. Yo economically and ecologically ruined Yugoslavia, killed 2000 people destroyed hospitals, tv stations, infrastructure, homes, and other civilian objects. Oh yeah, those were "Millitary targets". Oh sure the hospital is deffinetly a military target. Am I wrong?
Get real people. Americans have killed millions, maybe even billions. They should all be put to trial and if I were there, I would sentence those responcible to death penalty just like americans sentance their criminals. I am sick of your imperialistic regime and dictatorship.

[diamondgeezer]

*tumble weed blows by*

Ahem...

So... eastern Europe, then. How's that working out for you?

[vyper]

Originally posted by Razor
CP, no one gives you (Americans) the authority to decide what's justice. If a man is killed by an American he is to be punished as the justice (not made by Americans) demands. Who the **** gave the authority to Bush to demmand an excuse in the International War crime tribunal. Who the **** is going to put Clinton, Madlen Albreit and Tony Blair to trial for killing 2000 Serbs in 1999? Who is going to put to the trial the Albanian TERRORIST leaders (which are supported by AMERICA) who slaughtered hundreds of thousonds of Serbs on Kosovo and Metohia. Oh did I just say that America suports terrorism? Oh I think I did. What do you think of that?

Oh and by the way, wasn't America the one who financialy aided Al Q and Afghanistan in their war against Russia? I think Top Gun mentioned something like that.
I didn't know that America supported Sadam. Good job. *Remembers the issue of America's plan to attack Sadam*

Oh and Bobboau, on which side are you? First you say that you should repeat that you did 60 years ago and on the other hand you say that you should help countries and free them. Oh you helped us allright. Yo economically and ecologically ruined Yugoslavia, killed 2000 people destroyed hospitals, tv stations, infrastructure, homes, and other civilian objects. Oh yeah, those were "Millitary targets". Oh sure the hospital is deffinetly a military target. Am I wrong?
Get real people. Americans have killed millions, maybe even billions. They should all be put to trial and if I were there, I would sentence those responcible to death penalty just like americans sentance their criminals. I am sick of your imperialistic regime and dictatorship.

Jesus Christ, I don't wanna know what you think of us Brits then.

[Fineus]

Can you guys all please take a deep breath and calm down a tad? I don't want to close this but if it gets any hotter around here I'm going to have to.

[diamondgeezer]

Originally posted by vyper
Jesus Christ, I don't wanna know what you think of us Brits then.

8r|+a|n 0wnz j00!!!!!!!1

[vyper]

Originally posted by Bobboau
if America realy wanted to rule the world, we could do it in a week, all we'd have to do is nuke France and Russa, then there'd be nobody with the firepower to even slow us down,  

Now, I just noticed this comment. And I have to say I'm offended. *whistles God Save the Queen* You severely underestimate Britain's firepower, abilities and determination if you think France and Russia are your only two worries. We're your allies, not your servants - just keep that in mind when you decide to flash your military prowess around.


Thee, haughty Tyrants ne'er shall tame:
All their attempts to bend thee down,
Will but arouze thy gen'rous flame,
But work their woe, and thy renown.

Rule, Britannia, Britannia rule the waves,
Britons never will be slaves!

Right I'll just shush now...

[diamondgeezer]

*points at vyper and laughs*


Dude, I'm applying for the RAF, and even I think our millitary sux0rs. Without Cold War tensions, we just can't justify the defence budget we had twenty years ago... though in theory that's a good thing... I think... erm...

Tell you what we did have that was cool - the Vulcan. That was officially the sweetest bomber that ever flew, and I so missed a Discovery channel program about it the other week

[Bobboau]

yes, you are wrong
the Yugoslavia war was waged becase the Serbs were killing many hundreds of thousands of ethnic albainians, it was hapening, I have talked to mothers who have had there sons an hubans killed, if we (and a good chunk of the rest of Europe, in an exceptionaly rare bit of good jugement regarding a war) hadn't stoped it millions of kosivars would be dead
and yes, military targets include hospitals with solders in them, comunications, and infrastructure, that's sort of the point of a war, to make it so the other side can't fight back any more
from you reaction I'm guessing you're serbian, and as such you will have a uniqe veiw on the situation

[vyper]

Originally posted by diamondgeezer
*points at vyper and laughs*


Dude, I'm applying for the RAF, and even I think our millitary sux0rs. Without Cold War tensions, we just can't justify the defence budget we had twenty years ago... though in theory that's a good thing... I think... erm...

Tell you what we did have that was cool - the Vulcan. That was officially the sweetest bomber that ever flew, and I so missed a Discovery channel program about it the other week

Shhhh! Don't let the Americans here that!! I still don't think we spend enough on defence.

Wingspan : 111 ft 0 in
Length : 99ft 11 in
Height : 27ft 1in
Wing Area : 3964 sq ft
Cruising Speed : Mach 0.94 (620 mph)
Maximum Speed : Mach 0.98 (645 mph)
Range : 4,000 nautical miles
Service Ceiling : 60,000 ft
Engines : 4 Bristol Siddeley Olympus 201 or 301
Fuel Capacity : 9,250 imp gallons

Its interesting to note, that the Vulcan's concept was originally contained in the dam-busters project. The man who designed the bouncing bomb had made a big earth-quake bomb to begin with and a plane big enough to carry it - she matches a lot of the Vulcan's specifications.  Unfortunately, resource shortages led to the project being rejected and the designer was sent back to make his cheaper bouncing bomb.

[01010]

Politics

[Razor]

Originally posted by Bobboau
yes, you are wrong
the Yugoslavia war was waged becase the Serbs were killing many hundreds of thousands of ethnic albainians, it was hapening, I have talked to mothers who have had there sons an hubans killed, if we (and a good chunk of the rest of Europe, in an exceptionaly rare bit of good jugement regarding a war) hadn't stoped it millions of kosivars would be dead
and yes, military targets include hospitals with solders in them, comunications, and infrastructure, that's sort of the point of a war, to make it so the other side can't fight back any more
from you reaction I'm guessing you're serbian, and as such you will have a uniqe veiw on the situation

Yes there were Albanians that were killed in the conflict but not just by Serbs. Albanian terrorists also killed Albainian citizens because they refused to join them against Serbs. Oh and do you know who started all this, why and when? Ok I will answer those questions. As you all may know Kosovo and Metohia is SERBIAN province in The Federal Republic Yugsolavia. This conflict actually begun after the end of WW2. Hundreds of thousonds of Serbs were killed after 1950 and many more Serbs were banished from Kosovo and Metohia. Still, Serbs were the majority in Kosovo, but the number of Serbs decreased. What happened then? The Albaian drug mafia decided to go to Kosovo and thanks to the money they earned from drug smuggling, they bought weapons, trained themselves in Al Quaida training camps (which were ran by no one else but Osama Bin Laden). Now what if I tell you that America helped (opening international bank accounts, sent weapons etc...) these terrorists in their mission to kill Serbs in Kosovo. How about that? You didn't actually know that America helped Al Qaide, Albanian terrorists and other such organizations? Well of course you didn't because your governemnt would never want it's entire nation (and the rest of the world) to know about they relationships with the terrorist organizations. Then you got attacked in 2001 by the ones you helped, armed and suported. Isn't that ironic? :wink: And so when you were hit where it hurts, you then realized: "Oh now it's not really that good to help them since they attacked us. Now lets tell the world that we will exterminate terrorism. Hm..it will be so hard to kill our old friends and allies. "

Oh and Bobboau, I forgot to mention that the hospitals you hit were the ones where the babies were born. I don't know how do you call those hospitals in English but, I am just telling you so you know. Did you ever think of those innocent babies, children, poeple that died in that bombing? Did you ever think of how did their families felt about it when they found out that some American monster hit the hospital and killed it's child, wife, husband, son, daughter or any relative? No I suppose you didn't.
You are all monsters and hopefully some day, you will pay.

[diamondgeezer]

Thunder, help!

[Fineus]