[diamondgeezer]

OK - this purely for the thingy I'm doing. I don't mean for the outcome of this to affect anyone else's work in a way they don't want to, cos I know this debate has gotten quite heated in the past.

The thing I'm writing is all about atmosphere. There are some serious stretches without fighting, so atmosphere and tension building are all important. Therefore, I want to include some 'strong' language in there, to make it clear that these guys are really scared, etc.  I'm already putting in milder swearing in and issuing the project with a warning (so if anyone's offended it's not my fault), and basically it's all about the inclusion of that one short but very vulgar word:

[size=10][glow=red]****[/size][/glow]

Sorry...

Anyways, you've seen the poll. Vote, then post your thoughts.

[Shrike]

Eh, I don't give a ****.

[RandomTiger]

People swear in real life, I know I would if stuff that happens to those pilots happen to me. FS2 itself has made me swear quite a few times anyway.

"DIVE! DIVE! DIVE!", ****!

If anyone doupts this is a good idea watch early B5 episodes when they had to say 'nuts' instead, it was just really silly.

[Galemp]

Meh... FS2 is rated Teen. I think it should stay that way.

[Sandwich]

Originally posted by RandomTiger
"DIVE! DIVE! DIVE!", ****!

You sort of contradict yourself... that "dive!" moment was by far the most exhilirating moment in FS2, yet they pulled it off without swearing. While I don't swear myself, I don't have all that much of a problem with others swearing... but there are certain things that do make me cringe to hear in the presence of others, such as the "F" word, and most vulgar sexual references. I'd say to draw the line at "sh*t", "d*mnit", and "S.O.B.", if you absolutely must.

Just remember that tone of voice conveys so much more than a few curses...

[Solatar]

I don't mind swearing that much. I do swear, but not as much as I used to. Most of the time I'll use milder words, or do this: f*ck. Just so people know what I'm saying, they know I'm pissed, and I haven't actually said it. Just suggested it.

As for saying wordy dirties. During Freespace2, football, and after I get loads of homework ( More than usual ) In every subject, when something bad happens ( I play violin, and I have dropped my bow and broken it-it was wooden-).

But I don't swear for the heck of it. Go ahead, put it in. People are always looking for realism.

[Knight Templar]

****it.. they are scared to the point where they are ****ting their pants or whatever.. then yes.

There is swearing in my thingy. Milatary people swear. If anything, tv and popular war movies have taught us that.

They only convey "strong" feelings of something IMO.

It still doesn't make much sense to me that we would have words in a spoken (not to mention written) language that we aren't supposed to say..

[Thor]

Try replasing words with other words.  Fudge, Carp, Mitch all work well.

OT:  Why does every one I know play football? (points at Hades)

[Knight Templar]

Fudge, Carp, Mitch all work well.

:WTF:

ick, i'd hate to see that in a campaign.

why do people you know play football? because it owns.

Hades you Kanook?

[CP5670]

Eh, I don't give a ****.

Same here, but when you see "****" in every other message it starts to look stupid. No need to avoid curse words, but don't just put them in for their own sake either.

[Shrike]

Putting curses into every second sentence would be stupid.  It has to fit the situation.

[CP5670]

unfortunately, I have seen missions that have exactly that.

[Shrike]

[Stunaep]

Originally posted by Shrike
Putting curses into every second sentence would be stupid.  It has to fit the situation.

yup. Do and don't overdo. Besides, make it characteristic. There could be persons, who by principle don't swear, etc.

[diamondgeezer]

Wow, a split vote. Didn't see that one comming

In one major respect, you guys are quite right - I'd never have characters effin' and blindin' just for the hell of it. But if it makes a situation more believable... surely I should do it? For example, let's all take a moment to remember Private Hudson:

The sarge is gone, let's get the fudge out of here!

or

That's just fartin' A man. Now what the heck are we supposed to do?

and lastly

Die mother-lovers! Oh, you want some too? Come on, you fuggers!

You get the idea. It's just not the same without that word...

Another option which I should have included was to have two releases of the voice pack and missions - one censored, one not. Wouldn't be too much hassle.

[Shrike]

One of the characters in MT is going to be Pilot Hudson.  Guess how he talks.

[diamondgeezer]

One my of pilots... well, anybody see Ghosts of Mars? Remember the character played by Jason Statham?

I'm laying claim to creating the first foul-mouthed cockney fighter pilot in the GTVA fleet

Voicing him over is going to be a challenge, but fun

[EdrickV]

You want to use words to convey feelings and/or emphasis? Be creative. There are many words that, when put together, can be, IMHO, better then the regular 4 letter words we all know. To quote an example or two from some of Anne McCaffrey's books:

"Rotoscoped, animated bastard from a bad, grade-D psycho-horror flick--in 2D!" from The Ship Errant

"..the son of a scabrous tarantula had stolen La Pobrecita." from Power Lines

"...the vomitus spewings of an excrement-devouring long-extinct reptile which would eat it's own mother without shame or serious second contemplation..." from Power Lines

:devil:

[diamondgeezer]

Well that'd work with comedy foreginers, like the French guys in Holy Grail, but since english appears to be the standard lingo of the GTVA I'm not trying anything like that.

Look, I'm a very polite dude in Real Life. I cringe and reprimand my friends when they deploy the ole' foul and abusive in public, where little old ladies or ickle chidlers might hear. But when I'm doing the whole late-night, hard core action/sci-fi thing I feel that a character being set upon by hordes of beasties from the Dungeon Dimensions is entitled to let loose with a few curses, to really let us know how terrified he or she is

'Course, some of us play games during the day, with our dear ole mothers sat in the same room, so they can't have wingmen *****in' and cussin' the whole time. Therefore, I'm leaning towards a double release - one censored, and one un-censored but carrying a warning. Discuss.

[EdrickV]

Foreginers?? Aside from "Rotoscoped" which I think is made up and "La Pobrecita" which is a girl's name, those are all english words. And let's not forget the mildly famous "Frack" and "Feldergarb" from a certain 80's TV show that actually has an FS2 MOD. In FS2's timeline, it's likely slag terms will be very different anyways.