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Offline Knight Templar

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Why building a new Collosus right away would be practical
IIRC those don't have Secondary Banks on them.. just boosters ro something of the sort.
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Why building a new Collosus right away would be practical
You folks talk about fighters and lighter capships being more ecconomical than another Col and in terms of construction cost alone you'd be right. But maintanence would be a ***** for a fleet of smaller ships and carriers (not to mention the fighter groups embarked)
And then there's the logistical support like resupply and the ships required fer that. Plus lookit what the col does fer a livnig... you could easily use a hull like that as a mobile base of ops than constructing starbases, especially when your side is pushing the frontline back towards yer enemy when it may be... unwise to begin constructing hard targets in newly captured territories. Plus you can move it outta the way of any counter offensive.


Oh, and Narol's gotta point. I remember reading something about the Myrmey being able to carry a helios... isn't one of it's weapon bay a huge one? You'd be able to fit a couple in with a bit of tweaking... thought by that reasoning it should be able to use the cyclops too.

 

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nah, the weapon bays are comparatively small, and it can only carry 1, 1 and 2 bombs respectively in each bank. Where is this reference you guys are talking about? I can't remember seeing such a thing anywhere... (it only says that the Myrmidon is a very versatile ship, but only in roles from assault to recon)

 

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meh.. I don't ever remember there being a refrence.. just knowing it :p

But I thad to be a **** up on V's part, It's not like them to make a fighter like that. Most of their ships have strict guidelines as to how they act, even space supierority. Besides, as said, It would make a whole lot more sense if it were harpoons instead.
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Yeah, I was wondering why I didn't get the tech d/base dossiers on fighters like the Artemis DH and the Aries and long story short I found something, a .txt or a .cfg that had the write ups for each of the ships including the V pirate ship. I was pretty sure it said something in there about the Myrmey with torps. Dunno, it was a while ago, hopefully I've still got it. I'll hunt around for it.

 

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It didn't say anything about it in the Myr's Desc. IIRC which was visible at all times..  Whjy would it say it in the Ares or Pirate Ship's?
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I'd say that the Helios in the Myrmidon was either an Easter Egg or joke of some kind, so it probably shouldn't be used as a basis for some sort of Anti Sathannas Strategy. The Harpoon, however, was probably quite deliberate -

$Name:         GTF Perseus
+Gun Mounts:      4
+Missile Banks:      2
$Max Velocity:      0.0, 0.0, 80.0
$Rotation time:      3.3, 3.3, 3.3
$SBank Capacity:      ( 40, 40 )
$Shields:         350
$Hitpoints:         265
$AI Class:         Captain
$Afterburner:      YES
   +Aburn Max Vel:   0.0, 0.0, 140.0
   +Aburn For accel:   0.8
   +Aburn Fuel:   330.0
   +Aburn Burn Rate:   60.0
   +Aburn Rec Rate:   25.0
$Countermeasures:      40


$Name:         GTF Hercules Mark II
+Gun Mounts:      4
+Missile Banks:      2
$Max Velocity:      0.0, 0.0, 55.0
$Rotation time:      3.8, 4.2, 3.8
$SBank Capacity:      ( 80, 100 )
$Shields:         610
$Hitpoints:         275
$Afterburner:      YES
   +Aburn Max Vel:   0.0, 0.0, 120.0
   +Aburn For accel:   0.75
   +Aburn Fuel:   400.0
   +Aburn Burn Rate:   55.0
   +Aburn Rec Rate:   19.0
$Countermeasures:      25


$Name:            GTF Myrmidon
+Gun Mounts:         6
+Missile Banks:         3
$Max Velocity:         0.0, 0.0, 75.0
$Rotation time:         4.0, 3.7, 5
$SBank Capacity:         ( 20, 20, 40 )
$Shields:            390
$Hitpoints:            290
$Afterburner:         YES
   +Aburn Max Vel:      0.0, 0.0, 135.0
   +Aburn For accel:      0.8
   +Aburn Fuel:      320.0
   +Aburn Burn Rate:      60.0
   +Aburn Rec Rate:      25.0
$Countermeasures:         36

Looking at the Myrmidon compared to the other two staple craft of the GTVA, it's vastly over powered. It's only 5 m/s slower than the Perseus, which was supposed to have some advanced propulsion system, yet it has a stronger hull than even the Herc 2, as well as more countermeasures and a less efficient afterburner - not only that, but uit has more firepower than the supposedly 'Heavy Assault' Herc 2 - if it weren't for the smaller secondary banks, and the lower shielde, the Myrmidon would be far better as a Heavy Assault - I'd say the Harpoon was taken out as an attempt to balance it somewhat...
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why not building a colossus right away:
coz the shivans are gone for probably a long time :p
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Perhaps the nacelles on the Myrmidon's wingtips are shield projectors? Just a thought.
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Perhaps the nacelles on the Myrmidon's wingtips are shield projectors? Just a thought.
missile launchers, look at the pof :p

As for maintaining a fleet of smaller vessels, I think it'd be far easier than maitaining 1 colossal capital ship like the Colossus.  You're talking about smaller parts which can be easily transported by things like an Elysium, an entire squadron of cruiser sized carriers can be reasonably repaired, resupplied, and get their medical check-ups done by a Hippocrates and a similar sized tender ship.  As opposed to pulling a ship like the Colossus into drydock some 5 jumps behind the front lines to stay for a few months just to repair or replace a fuel cell or reactor core.  Smaller parts are also easier to mass produce ;)

On the Myrmidon and Helios, even if it wasn't meant to carry the Helios, new fighters should be designed to be able to deliver such weapons, even if they have to strap it on to the outter hull.  The point is not so much that the Myrmidon can do it, but that a fighter craft should.  Bombers don't have a chance, which if you've ever tried to take a Boan in on a Sathanas, I'm sure you've quickly learned (like me in that Halcyon mission) :D

 

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Bombers don't have a chance, which if you've ever tried to take a Boan in on a Sathanas, I'm sure you've quickly learned (like me in that Halcyon mission) :D


Not quite true :D
But in BTS you better take an Ursa and have some good cover pilots with you ;)

Where standard bombers truely have no chance is my TDIC mission specially made for "Mrym only bombing" :)
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Economics ?
if the shivans have like 100´s Sathanas
why even bother to build another Collosus.

why not build 100 collosuses :D

or 10,000 sobeks with bomber escort

 

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Looking at the Myrmidon compared to the other two staple craft of the GTVA, it's vastly over powered. It's only 5 m/s slower than the Perseus, which was supposed to have some advanced propulsion system, yet it has a stronger hull than even the Herc 2, as well as more countermeasures and a less efficient afterburner - not only that, but uit has more firepower than the supposedly 'Heavy Assault' Herc 2 - if it weren't for the smaller secondary banks, and the lower shielde, the Myrmidon would be far better as a Heavy Assault - I'd say the Harpoon was taken out as an attempt to balance it somewhat...


You could be right about that actually; I did not know that the Myrmidon was so powerful until now. I guess this especially makes sense considering how effective the Harpoon is... (it is even taken out of most of the multiplayer TvT missions since it is too good there)

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On the Myrmidon and Helios, even if it wasn't meant to carry the Helios, new fighters should be designed to be able to deliver such weapons, even if they have to strap it on to the outter hull.  The point is not so much that the Myrmidon can do it, but that a fighter craft should.  Bombers don't have a chance, which if you've ever tried to take a Boan in on a Sathanas, I'm sure you've quickly learned (like me in that Halcyon mission) :D


That will make the fighters way too powerful though, and there would be no real point in having bombers in the first place. A squad of fighters, or even one of bombers, should not be able to take down a destroyer just like that; ideally a typical attack on a large warship should involve a combination of swarms of fighters/bombers along with a cruiser or corvette.

I use a boanerges in that mission too; works okay for me though... :D (as Cet said, you just need good pilots covering you)
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one death star could superlaser all 100 sathani.

i think that's are solution. the GTVA should build a death star.

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what? :confused:
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1st rule of Government spending: Why have one for normal price, when you could two for twice the price.

2... 100.. it's all relative.
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long story short I found something, a .txt or a .cfg that had the write ups for each of the ships including the V pirate ship.
Uhhh... you mean ships.tbl?
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That will make the fighters way too powerful though, and there would be no real point in having bombers in the first place.
Helios bombs are anti-matter weapons, they're supposed to be powerful.  And rigging them to the outter hull of a fighter is pretty desperate, which makes sense if you're up against a hundred or so Sathani don't you think? ;)

 

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Helios bombs are anti-matter weapons, they're supposed to be powerful.  And rigging them to the outter hull of a fighter is pretty desperate, which makes sense if you're up against a hundred or so Sathani don't you think? ;)


But what happens when the enemy fighters start targetting the bombs?
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