[karajorma]

Originally posted by kode


what an0n said.

Wrong again. I`m pro-america for what they get right and anti-america in the large number of things they get wrong.
  The grounding of the shuttle fleet is a blow to the INTERNATIONAL space station and therefore a blow to every country who had an interest in that station.

[Solatar]

kode=only person on my ignore list.

[kode]

I am not a troll. A troll posts to get attention and a flamewar going. I post because I believe I have something to say. I try to be on topic. I try to help people out if they have questions (even though I have limited knowledge in things such as freespace modding). I even try to close my eyes when I see hypocrisy and ignorance all around. I do not flame deliberately. I am not vadar_1. I am me. I am unique. I think for myself. I do not listen to all the lies people are trying to tell me. I wish everyone well. I believe that disagreements can be straightened out with words and not fists. I believe that if everyone helped each other out, we could make this planet a planet worth living on.

I hope that you do to.

How much is the life of an astronaut worth compared to seven family fathers? or seven new born babies? or seven mother theresa's? or seven gandhis? or seven other unique human beings?
are humans equal, or are they not?


seems like I typed this in vain.

[an0n]

Originally posted by karajorma
Wrong again. I`m pro-america for what they get right and anti-america in the large number of things they get wrong.
  The grounding of the shuttle fleet is a blow to the INTERNATIONAL space station and therefore a blow to every country who had an interest in that station.

So there's an Iraqi section to the ISS? And Indian, and Pakistani and Bosnian and Afghan?

'International' means nothing. 'International' could mean it was a space-station built and run by Nazi-Germany and Mussolini-Italy.

[an0n]

Originally posted by kode
I am not a troll. A troll posts to get attention and a flamewar going. I post because I believe I have something to say. I try to be on topic.

~-=™! *whistles conspicuously* !™=-~

How much is the life of an astronaut worth compared to seven family fathers? or seven new born babies? or seven mother theresa's? or seven gandhis? or seven other unique human beings?
are humans equal, or are they not?

~-=™! Everything is equal, with the exception of adults in relation to each other as their full potential can be assertained and compared to other adults. !™=-~

[StratComm]

Originally posted by CP5670
As far as that goes though, the conventional oxidation approach would work fine, since the amount of fuel used for these purposes is pretty small. There would be a slight benefit in costs, but not quite as much as those articles posted before seemed to imply.

But the more fuel that could be directed toward accelerating the ship towards its destination, the sooner it will get there.  Thus, interplanetary travel and the Orion's advantages.  Plus, you aren't storing highly volitile fuel, so a breach of the fuel containment pods wouldn't result in being set adrift in deep space.  The original example, the ship in Deep Impact, is a good case in point for the advantages of the Orion drive, when time is important you need that extra kick.

[kode]

Originally posted by karajorma


Wrong again. I`m pro-america for what they get right and anti-america in the large number of things they get wrong.
  The grounding of the shuttle fleet is a blow to the INTERNATIONAL space station and therefore a blow to every country who had an interest in that station.

well... woot for that. so other countries might do the flight up to leave goods and stuff instead. after all, the fact that it is international must mean something along those lines?

however, I seem to be ignorant about that. so I guess I'm on your ignore list too.

[ShadowWolf_IH]

does anyone remember the painting of the Bald eagle's head, with a launching shuttle reflected in his eye, and a tear coming out of that eye?  It was painted after the challenger disaster.  I'll have to get ahold of my cousin to get the name of the painting, and show you guys if you haven't seen it.  It's pretty powerful.

[beatspete]

"Welcome aboard the americanrussianfrenchbrittishgermancanadianetc Space Station..."
Doesnt have the same ring to it, stop picking faults an0n.


And whats up with all the ignoring, grow up, its better to hear someones (poor) opinion than not to listen to it at all, thats just arogant.

[kode]

Originally posted by an0n
~-=™! Everything is equal, with the exception of adults in relation to each other as their full potential can be assertained and compared to other adults. !™=-~

darn. you got me. from now on, I'm a socialist darwinist. the strong survives!!!

[an0n]

Originally posted by ShadowWolf_IH
does anyone remember the painting of the Bald eagle's head, with a launching shuttle reflected in his eye, and a tear coming out of that eye?  It was painted after the challenger disaster.  I'll have to get ahold of my cousin to get the name of the painting, and show you guys if you haven't seen it.  It's pretty powerful.

..........It's a painting. It's ink, paint, water and canvas. Nothing more than a pretty decoration. If you need a painting to convey the sense of loss at a tradgedy then obviously the facts of the incident aren't sufficient and thus it deserves no further thought.

[kode]

Originally posted by beatspete
"Welcome aboard the americanrussianfrenchbrittishgermancanadianetc Space Station..."
Doesnt have the same ring to it, stop picking faults an0n.


And whats up with all the ignoring, grow up, its better to hear someones (poor) opinion than not to listen to it at all, thats just arogant.

to paraphrase heretic (I think), "you know you're winning the argument when the other part is putting their hands against their ears and start to hum"

or I'm just to ignorant to give that rat's ass....

[01010]

Originally posted by beatspete
If we had a topic about every little tragedy where somebody died then the forum would never get anywhere.  I dont like it when people just post to "show respect" cause it doesnt get us anywhere. Seven people died, its a trajedy for the people who knew them, but its not for anyone else.  What the tragedy is, and a minor one at that, is the set back to the american space program, and the impact on space exploration as a civilization. People are being over-sensitive and its becoming meaningless.
To those who lost family members and friends, yes its a tragedy, but for random people looking for some random deaths to hop on the "oh its so bad" bandwagon they might as well not even care. It doesnt get anyone anywhere.
A friend of mine died from an asthma attack 2 months ago on our school prom night, she was just 17,  thats a tragedy to me. I didnt mention it on HLP cause then it looses meaning.  If people are saying how sorry they feel for someone thats died but they didnt even know existed, then what is the meaning?  Its a false display of emotion, sure they may feel bad about it but the only reason they have to feel bad is because someone died. Thats it.

Today the space shuttle broke up on re-entry, 7 astonauts were killed.
Thats what happened.  The loss to the families is 7 people, but to everyone else its part of the space program, see the differences.

****ing damn right.

Absolutely spot on in every respect.

[ShadowWolf_IH]

see that's where you make a mistake......

when someone says the word sky, you don't see the letters s-k-y, your mind sees the sky.  It's all a symbology.  That's what art is in any form.  It speaks to us on a deeper level than logic, because of the symbology it uses to convey it's message.

Some people understand what is happening, some  don't.

[kode]

so what you're saying is, that you somewhat share my opinions here?

and, uh, a personal request of mine:
if you add me to your ignore list, please write it in your sig that you have, so I don't waste my time answering you.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by CP5670
eh? It can utilize the same method of landing without using any engines. .

You`re landing in exactly the same way as the shuttle does (with the back end of your craft now radioactive) and taking off in a more dangerous method (at least to the surrounding area and probably to yourself). So you`re back to square one.  The shuttle is still safer.

Originally posted by CP5670
Still, they will not do anything unless properly armed and cannot just explode in flames accidently like the usual fuel can.

So not content with potentially raining debris over Texas in the event of an accident the inhabitants also have to worry about plutonium raining down on them too? Nukes also do contain an explosive charge (although great care is taken to make sure THAT doesn`t go off by mistake) but still if you're building lots of them to launch Orions the chance of building a dud does go up.

[StratComm]

Originally posted by beatspete
"Welcome aboard the americanrussianfrenchbrittishgermancanadianetc Space Station..."
Doesnt have the same ring to it, stop picking faults an0n.

Thank you, I was about to say the same thing.

And whats up with all the ignoring, grow up, its better to hear someones (poor) opinion than not to listen to it at all, thats just arogant. [/B]

If it is an opinion, then that's all well and good and I couldn't agree more.  It wasn't kode's opinions that got so many people to ignore him, it's his general attitude toward them.  He's not trying to convey his opinions, he's trying to pick a fight.  He won't stay on most of those lists, but I can't think of a better way to force him to cool down before he gets the thread locked than letting him rant and rave without the temptation to reply.

[an0n]

Originally posted by ShadowWolf_IH
see that's where you make a mistake......

when someone says the word sky, you don't see the letters s-k-y, your mind sees the sky.  It's all a symbology.  That's what art is in any form.  It speaks to us on a deeper level than logic, because of the symbology it uses to convey it's message.

Some people understand what is happening, some  don't.

..........No. A picture is a picture. Sometimes a picture will display object which you associate to certain emotions and memories, but it's till just a picture. You won't think "Wow, that Eagle is so sad.", you'll think "I remember how I felt when I heard about those brave souls aboard the Challenger.".

[Solatar]

In my oppinion the art and music can convey emotions better than words.

[kode]

Originally posted by karajorma

So not content with potentially raining debris over Texas in the event of an accident the inhabitants also have to worry about plutonium raining down on them too? Nukes also do contain an explosive charge (although great care is taken to make sure THAT doesn`t go off by mistake) but still if you're building lots of them to launch Orions the chance of building a dud does go up.

well... isn't half of nevada radioactive from those nuclear tests in the 50's? making some land radio active is a risk willing to be taken...