[Sandwich]

Originally posted by an0n
Yes, so fast that a cycnical person may view it as pre-planned.

I have very little doubt of it being pre-planned, but I don't think it was set in motion in response to the bombing. It was probably a planned terrorist assassination of Hamas operatives.

[kasperl]

Originally posted by Sandwich

It was probably a planned terrorist assassination of Hamas operatives.

this sounds like you deem whoever attacked the Hamas guys were terrrorists. i will not comment on that, for obvious reasons.

[Sandwich]

Originally posted by kasperl


this sounds like you deem whoever attacked the Hamas guys were terrrorists. i will not comment on that, for obvious reasons.

Eh? That sentence doesn't make sense. I fully support targeted assasinations of known terrorists, if that's what you're asking.

www.feedroom.com has footage of the bombing.

[Stryke 9]

Staying at 15, looks like.

Anyway, I'm kinda surprised at the astonishment all this has recieved over here. Politicoes all standing up and going: "Wups! That's it! Roadmap's dead! Israeli-Palestinian thing is unsolvable again!"

I mean, really. I can understand everyone's kissing Bush's ass, fine, but did anyone really think that some silly agreement that's basically the same as Oslo and a dozen others would instantly stop the fighting, and permanently? Sharon and Abbas both seem to be acting in good faith, though they plainly trust each other about as far as they can throw one another, but so? That's two fairly powerful people who want peace, and hundreds in the PNA and Knesset who are screaming for blood, just waiting for the slightest trip-up to exaggerate and shriek about until they're both out of power.

Peace is screwed, man. You seriously need to off your politicians. For that matter, we could do with a coup, too.

[Sandwich]

Originally posted by Stryke 9
Staying at 15, looks like.

Up to 16 killed according to the 7pm news.

EDIT: Among those killed in the helicopter attack on the car in the Gaza strip were a couple of armed Hamas "millitants", as well as the person (Titi something) responsible for launching Kasam rockets at Israeli towns near Gaza recently.

[an0n]

When I take over Britain (and subsequently Europe and most of America) I'm going to give every Palestinian a tank, and disarm Israel, leaving them only the rocks formed from the rubble of their homes to fight with.

That should stop the fighting or, at the very least, make the Palestinians hypocrits.

[Bobboau]

Oh, this is just great, things were looking somewhat promising, but now...
Well, this one gets blamed on Sharone, and his ill-timed and unsuccessful pot shot at Abdel Rantisi.
Note I'm not blaming Israel in general, but this round of violence was clearly started by Sharone.
well at least your second atack wasn't a failure, looks like you got whoever you were shooting at, but there is going to be at least a month of violence now, and another one or two before talks will begin again

[Stryke 9]

There was pretty much going to be, anyway. Hamas basically said it was going to be business as usual.

[kasperl]

Originally posted by Stryke 9
There was pretty much going to be, anyway. Hamas basically said it was going to be business as usual.

yeah, but even then, i doubt that it is smart to shoot the one you are talking with, even if they don't agree.

which genius is behind the attack on that Hamas spokesmen.

and one more thing, could people from various couintry';s plz post what thier media says about it,just to compare.


out here, in Holland, the Israel violonce is now treated the same way as the Palestinian, but the Isreal violence is showed a bit more negative.

[Bobboau]

yes, but it would have been better for Isreal to have waited for them to stike first.

[Stryke 9]

Kasperl: Since when was anyone talking with Hamas? Abbas asked them nicely to stop, but anyone who's got better than a fourth-grade understanding of politics realizes that it's completely against Hamas's interests to ever stop- if you're a terrorist organization, what the hell do you do if you agree not to be terrorists? If you want the destruction of Israel, why hold off at a point when it'd be politically inconvenient for Israel to be bombed? They just go through the motions of asking them, and being surprised when they ignore that- it's not like the Palestinians can do much else, and most of the Israeli government doesn't care. They find it convenenient to equate the PLO with Hamas, so that they can get right back to killing Palestinians as soon as the next bus blows up- which is really what a lot of them want.

[Sandwich]

Commentary here says that the suicide bombing could not have been in response to the failed attack on Rantisi, since suicide bombers take much longer than 24 hours to get prepared and go out.

The same with Israel's attack on the car in Gaza today - it happened so soon after the bombing that I cannot imagine it being a direct response.

[kasperl]

uhm, if neither are direct responses, the Palestine thing si probably hard lined terrorist, which is bad, but not as bad as a direct response. the Israel one on the other hand, is bad, since AFAIK Israel as controll over all of it's forces, meaning that if this was pre-planned, this would be unprovoked,

but the Palestine thing could just be a guy who has been waiting for months to get a good reason.

[Stryke 9]

Hmm... you might want to read up on how Hamas operates. You don't give the guys a month to wait, they might have second thoughts.

[kasperl]

Originally posted by Stryke 9
Hmm... you might want to read up on how Hamas operates. You don't give the guys a month to wait, they might have second thoughts.

honestly, i don't have that much time to follow everything, but i try to keep track of things like this, i might be wrong. but why would this be specificly hamas? there not the only ones IIRC.

[Nuclear1]

Holy Jeez... well, at least it was so few casualties compared to what it could've been....

[Rictor]

Ok obviously my view on this stuff is less informed than yours, but at the same time I also think its a bit more objective.

In my mind, killing people via suicide bomb or shooting them with a rifle or tank is the same thing. And yes, I am refering to the IDF killing civilians. I fully understand what Isreal is doing, though I dont support it. After WW2, with 6 million Jews dead, I'de take any steps necessary to protect my land too. However, I think that pushing around the Palestinians isn't helping anything. You claim that the Palestinians are the terrorists. Well terrorist is what big armies call little armies. If they had uniforms and guns, you'de call them an army. It just using what you've got to further your own side if the struggle. And I'm also pretty sure that however many Isrealis die in suicide bombings, more Palestinians are killed in the inevitable revenge.

The thing that got me about the Isreali-Palestian conflict when I looked at a map, is just how small the contested area is. I understand fighting over large pieces of land, but the difference between the current borders and the contested borders is like 20km

Anyways, thats my opinion, though ofcourse I know its harder to looks at it objectively when you're in the middle of it.

[Stryke 9]

Rictor: Arr! That be exactly what I be saying for years!

Except that, of course, there are no borders. Palestine is not, as of now, an independent country. It's an occupied part of Israel. It wants to be an independent country, but Israel doesn't want to give up the opportunity to use it for settlements. Also, a lot of Orthodox Jews demand that the whole thing must be Israel to fulfill the covenant in the Bible.

Me, I say my religion states I get the entire East Coast of North America. Now gimme, or else you're offending my beliefs and therefore a bigot Nazi scumbag.

Kasperl: 'Cos they're the ones that said it was them, duh.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

How about if we pick everyone not wanting peace in in the region and dump em in Siberia. Russia is pulling back much of it's population there so there's a lot of real-estate freeing up. Let them fight it out there.

That way serious people that want peace can go about their business and Sandwich can enjoy not having to try to find out if friends died in yet another senseless attack.

[kasperl]

Originally posted by Stryke 9

Kasperl: 'Cos they're the ones that said it was them, duh.

uhm, missed that part.