[YodaSean]

Originally posted by Zeronet


[Drill Sergeant voice]Well no ****.[/Drill Sergeant voice]

I wonder why SUICIDE BOMBERS would get the blame for anything, i mean, they only blow themselves up with the intent of killing innocent people.

I'm not saying that the suicide bombers aren't to blame, just that Sharon isnn't doing much better than they are

[Stryke 9]

All English: Dude(s?), I didn't call you wankers, I said some of your ancestors were bastards for doing hideous things to the locals in English colonies. That has nothing to do with now. Fuck, a good number of Americans way back in the day were far worse than the Nazis ever were (Which I also said in there)- that doesn't reflect on all Americans now. This whole thing descended from trying to trace back where the Israeli settlers and such got the assumption that anyone different is inferior and really doesn't have any major objection to being slaughtered wholesale- if you'd bothered to read the thread, you'd see that the "wankers" post was where I pointed out that the British were far from historically the worst people around.

Honestly, y'all just want to be offended, I'll be happy to comply. You don't need to get *****y over half-read posts that have nothing to do with what you're talking about.

[Stryke 9]

All English: Dude(s?), I didn't call you wankers, I said some of your ancestors were bastards for doing hideous things to the locals in English colonies. That has nothing to do with now. Fuck, a good number of Americans way back in the day were far worse than the Nazis ever were (Which I also said in there)- that doesn't reflect on all Americans now, though I do personally think it's high time we gave the Indians their land back and called it quits. This whole thing descended from trying to trace back where the Israeli settlers and such got the assumption that anyone different is inferior and really doesn't have any major objection to being slaughtered wholesale- if you'd bothered to read the thread, you'd see that the "wankers" post was where I pointed out that the British were far from historically the worst people around.

Honestly, y'all just want to be offended, I'll be happy to comply. You don't need to get *****y over half-read posts that have nothing to do with what you're talking about.

[01010]

Originally posted by Stryke 9
All English: Dude(s?), I didn't call you wankers, I said some of your ancestors were bastards for doing hideous things to the locals in English colonies. That has nothing to do with now. Fuck, a good number of Americans way back in the day were far worse than the Nazis ever were (Which I also said in there)- that doesn't reflect on all Americans now, though I do personally think it's high time we gave the Indians their land back and called it quits. This whole thing descended from trying to trace back where the Israeli settlers and such got the assumption that anyone different is inferior and really doesn't have any major objection to being slaughtered wholesale- if you'd bothered to read the thread, you'd see that the "wankers" post was where I pointed out that the British were far from historically the worst people around.

Honestly, y'all just want to be offended, I'll be happy to comply. You don't need to get *****y over half-read posts that have nothing to do with what you're talking about.

I knew what you meant.

[Stryke 9]

That you did. It was more directed at the small army of people screaming at me for saying the word "English" and a derogatory term in the same sentence. Which really doesn't help their case, even if it is irrelevant.

[Stryke 9]

Anyway, back on topic...

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/06/26/sprj.irq.centrifuge/index.html

Mmm hmm. Honestly, it's more than I expected them to find, but it's still been sitting at the bottom of a rainbarrel for 12 years, since the last Gulf War. I'm mildly impressed that Bush isn't trying to hype this as a "smoking gun", but at this point I think he realizes he no longer needs any evidence, that the national attention span has firmly shifted away from Iraq. Case in point, I would never have heard of this if someone hadn't pointed it out, where as a few weeks back it woulda been headline news.

[Bobboau]

you hadn't herd about it?
I was going to post but I figured everyone else knew about it (and was going to wait so it didn't turn out to be a smoke alarm in someones back yard)

[Zeronet]

Originally posted by Stryke 9
Anyway, back on topic...

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/06/26/sprj.irq.centrifuge/index.html

Mmm hmm. Honestly, it's more than I expected them to find, but it's still been sitting at the bottom of a rainbarrel for 12 years, since the last Gulf War. I'm mildly impressed that Bush isn't trying to hype this as a "smoking gun", but at this point I think he realizes he no longer needs any evidence, that the national attention span has firmly shifted away from Iraq. Case in point, I would never have heard of this if someone hadn't pointed it out, where as a few weeks back it woulda been headline news.

he was ordered to hide to be ready to rebuild the bomb program.

would have constituted violations of Security Council regulations

Also, its not scrap metal. It wasn't a rainbarrel. It was a barrel, buried under the ground, containing perfectly usable equipment for use in enriching uranium to produce a nuclear weapon.

Obeidi also said he was not the only scientist ordered to hide that type of equipment.

So, as the scientist himself says, there are other such materials elsewhere in Iraq.

[Stryke 9]

Quit shrieking. It doesn't make you any less wrong, it only calls to mind the image of some hyperventilating drag queen.

Gee, you know, if I was in a fairly impoverished country, and had equipment worth well over the million-dollar mark, I wouldn't just toss it out because some foreign twits said so. I'd either wait until things cooled down and they found something else to freak out about, or try to sell the stuff. We already know they had the stuff- that's not news, no matter how much the government tries to make it sound like we never even suspected. The **** hasnt. been. used. in. 12. years. Meaning. no. bomb. program. since. the. last. war. Meaning this one was utterly baseless, built on a nonexistent pretext, in other words, a War Crime.

Thank you, and goodnight.

[tEAbAG]

NOTHING will ever turn up.  (unless the CIA "finds" it)
One ore more of these things happened:

A) He buried it out in the middle of the desert which means you'll never see it with out a treasure map, Yarrrrr!

B) I was sold or just given away (a wonderful thought by the way)

or

C) He hasn't had anything since 1996

I wonder if they'll try to impeach once they find that the WH falsified or embiggened the threat.  Doubtful, but its the only way I see of avoiding annother 4 years of the Cheany/Rumsfeld administration.

[diamondgeezer]

Originally posted by tEAbAG
embiggened

... you sure that's a cromulent word?

[Zeronet]

Originally posted by Stryke 9
image of some hyperventilating drag queen.

.

That would be  mirror image of yourself i take it?

[Stealth]

hey Stryke, just read the first post, so don't say i'm going Off-topic or anything...

thought you might find this interesting, found it in a paper called the "Houston Press" a few months ago:



i thought that the first 'cartoon' of the four is appropriate.  from what we hear in America anyway, i know the rest of the world sees a true, and non-biased view of all world events, whereas the American public is given a biased-by-the-media view.

thought it was pretty funny though

[Knight Templar]

rest of the world with a non biased view? I don't think there is such a thing as a non biased view. Seriously, have you ever even heard of Al-Jazira?

[Stealth]

Originally posted by Knight Templar
rest of the world with a non biased view? I don't think there is such a thing as a non biased view. Seriously, have you ever even heard of Al-Jazira?

OK, so maybe i should have said a "less-biased" view.  have you ever lived in any other country (other than Mexico and Canada, which are influenced by the US)?  if you lived in any other country, the whole war on Iraq would be in a different perspective.  for example, in Europe, Africa, Asia, and Australia, they cover everything to do with the "war with Iraq".  they show on TV the people dying, the massive riots against the Americans coming in and setting up a government.  however, in America, all you see on TV is people crying in relief that the Americans have come in, and the public gets the picture that everyone in Iraq is happy that America's setting up a government.  the rest of the world knows that's not true, because they don't just see what the government wants them to see, they see everything.  good and bad.

same thing goes with newspapers and other events.  America's public doesn't know what's going on in the world except what the media wants them to know.  and it's true, don't say it's not, because you've never lived in another country, so you wouldn't know.

[vyper]

British TV station the BBC is currently in conflict with our Government because they reported that the arms documents were "sexed up". During the war the Govt. loved them but now they're questioning the proof suddenly they're bad folk.

[diamondgeezer]

I've posed this question several times now, and no-one has answered me yet: do you think Iraq and the Iraqis were actually better off under Saddam?

[Stealth]

yeah, see what i mean?

Britan doesn't really count anyway though, because the US and Britain are allies, and most of what America does Britain does too regarding media and vice versa


DG:  I'm not saying a definite "yes" or "no", but from what i've heard (not from American media) most people were happy with Saddam's rule.  and even if they weren't completely satisfied, look what's happened now:  Iraq is virtually in ruins because of America's interfering... what did Iraq really do to America?  nothing at all! (see the cartoon strip a few posts above).  perhaps Afghanistan needed help, because the people of Afghanistan were oppressed to an extent, but certainly not the people of Iraq!  And look what's happened as soon as America's troops left Afghanistan... if you live in America you probably won't know (yes, because of media, and what the government wants people to know) but the warlords have taken over already, and they're in an even worse position (the people of Afghanistan) than they were!

[diamondgeezer]

You realise Iraq had the world record for unexplained disappearences under Saddam? The people he locked in cupboards for ten years would probably disagree with you, Stealth.

[Knight Templar]

Well sure I've seen a fair share of good news from tv and such, but it's not like our news coverage is the complete happy candy land people make it out to be either, at least where I live.

When I do happen to pick up a newspaper or watch the news (prolly twice a week..) There's usually 2 personal war stories, a story on Darth Rumsfield, a story on rebels still fighting, and a story on the poverty of the people. When I read it, I don't really get a one sided view. Of course our newspapers wouldn't go around supporting the America haters or the ba'ath party members, that'd make for bad business because the majority of Americans aren't ba'ath party members or America haters. But I still get the feeling like both sides of the story are being told. (Yes, one side is going to be biased, that's a given.) but like I said, it still ain't the Fairy-Candy American Land everyone makes it out to be.

About the war: I don't know if it was completely right or wrong, but I think the reasons Bush used for starting the war weren't the best or right ones. But the people of Iraq deffinitly weren't happy i'd say under Saddam, nor safe. Yeah, they are kind of ****ed now, and would be in a better position if their country wasn't in shambles, but they still weren't safe under his rule.