[Nico]

Originally posted by Stryke 9
Personally, I could never wrap my head around why there was never any real resistance to the Holocaust. Warsaw was pretty much it. I mean, ****, man, any self-respecting people had better be prepared to defend themselves in the face of total annihilation, or there's something seriously wrong with them. Even if it's a futile fight, it's still one well worth it...

simple: they just didn't know. they thought they would do manual labor ( and it's actually how it started. the extermination plan came much later, around the end of the war ).

[Petrarch of the VBB]

When we watched a video in RS about the Holocaust a few years ago, I could not understand why there was so little resistance, even in the camps. There must have been at least 20 prisoners per guard, and so they could probably have overpowered them.
Trouble is, a high percentage of them would have been killed trying, but if they stayed they'd have been killed anyway.

[Turnsky]

simple...

A: they feared for thier lives
B: They Had absolutely no idea they were gonna get gassed
C: 20 a guard perhaps in the camp, but there were plenty more outside plus the towers with machine guns..


hitler was an insane man indeed...
it will be a sad day indeed when someone break's hitler's record on genocide:doubt:

[Nico]

Originally posted by Turnsky
simple...

A: they feared for thier lives
B: They Had absolutely no idea they were gonna get gassed
C: 20 a guard perhaps in the camp, but there were plenty more outside plus the towers with machine guns..

D: most guards were not among the prisoners, that was reserved to the capos. The only real guards were those in the towers, out of reach, with barbed wired barriers between them and the camp
E: when the mass murdering started, they were already so weak and, generally, sick, that they could hardly even walk, so starting a rebellion, even if the will was there, they just couldn't. five of them wouldn't have the strengh to take on a single unarmed guard. T

[Turnsky]

i forgot about those...

WWII was certainly a cruel war by many respects..

[Nico]

It sure was. Make a search for "Oradour sur Glane".

[Turnsky]

hmm..

my grandfather served as in clean-up crew in hiroshima.. a fortnight after the bomb was dropped...

nasty..

[Top Gun]

Originally posted by Black Wolf
Why the **** haven't these kids rebelled on their own?!? I mean, they're obviously fairly rebellious to begin with, they probably have some idea of their rights, and while they might not have many, Psychologial toruture can't be included as something acceptable.

You make the mistake of confusing rebellion with pseudo rebellion. It would require condiderasble dedication and intelligence to be unaffected by one of these places and the techniques used.Being deliberately confrontational and agressive in a carefully controlled environment such as that are likely to get you towing the party line (and believing it) in less than five minutes.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1930418019/qid=1057148065/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/104-4616375-1015105?v=glance&s=books#product-details <- This is quite an intersting read.

[Stryke 9]

Indeed. You ever noticed how people tend to rebel only in fashionable ways?

[an0n]

Rebellion is bull-****.

It's usually just an anti-social minority trying to make waves.

And the way to survive in one of those places, or any place for that matter, with your unremitting hatred for all life intact is simply to be uber-conformist.

Know your enemy and know yourself.

If they don't know you're still a little ****, they won't try to change you and thus you can keep being a little **** once they let you out. That is, as long as you know you're still a little ****.

Follow the rules and wait for the system to drop its guard and show a weakness, then attack it with everything you've got.

[Stryke 9]

The system's weakness is that everyone chooses to conform. It's the same as everywhere else in the world- there aren't nearly enough guards, et al. to stop the people (or the "students" in this case) from rising up and taking what they want, there's only the illusion that there is nothing they can do- which leads to conformity and self-policing. This is all pretty basic stuff, have you never seen how the government operates?

There has never been a large-scale rulership in all of history that could enforce its will regardless of whether the people dissented or not. The tyrrany of government relies on the fact that, given a choice, only one out of a million will not simply accept the status quo for the same reasons you stated above.

[an0n]

No, the system's weakness is that they let you out when you appear to be 'cured' and that the people who run it are all dumb ****ers.

You start off being all rebellious and '**** this'. Keep that up for a week. Then be all resigned and quietly indignant. Then about a week later, start following the rules and climbing your way up the levels. Once you're at a level 6 or whatever, you turn on the other kids and start treating them as bad as the guards do. This endears the guards to you. From there you either get let out or offered a job.

Personally, I'd keep it up till I was 18 then ask to be dropped off at some nice sunny beach instead of being returned home.

[Stryke 9]

The guards don't do most of the maltreatment, the kids do. This is all in there, did you read it? You wouldn't be anything special, and in a group of 100 brainwashed Gestapo drones the insincerity of your disgusting actions would stick out like a thumb possessed by the demon of sticking-out, and they wouldn't let you out until you really were gone. Like I said, this is a tried-and-true system used all over the world- the results of attempts such as your hypothetical one can be seen historically. They only rarely succeed.

You can't just play the good little boy- how do you think all the people who end up drones turned out that way? They finally cooperated, and they didn't start it with the honest intent to be lobotomized. They thought they could "cheat the system" by doing exactly what the system wanted- and, of course, in attempting to do so, they were doing just what the system wanted. They can **** with you to no end, but they can't get into your head until you open the door and let them right in.

[an0n]

Yeah, but I'm special.

I can view any number of opinions and personalities wooshing through my head objectively through hundreds of levels.

I'll be like:
Level 1 - That's cool.
Level 2 - Hmm. I'm only thinking that because of social pressures.
Level 3 - God, I think with some complicated language.
Level 4 - Why's he refering to God? I think he's just as socially influenced as the first guy.
Level 3 - **** you.
Level 5 - **** both of you.
Level 1 - Uh, guys. It's still cool.
Level 12 - I'm sick of you dick-heads fighting. Go back to sleep so I can subconciously conjour images of Delta Goodrem.
Level 2 - Delta goodrem is a whore.
Level 12 - WHAT!?! Right, you're a ****ing dead man.
Level 2 - Bring it on, *****.
Level 1 - Guys....
Level 7 - You're not still arguing this **** are you.
Level 8 - Stop swearing!
Level N - Right. **** this. *sleep*
Level 1 - [Level 1 - Connection Reset By Peer]
Level 12 - [Level 12 - Connection Reset By Peer]
Level 5 - [Level 5 - Connection Reset By Peer]
Level 3 - [Level 3 - Connection Reset By Peer]
Level 8 - [Level 8 - Connection Reset By Peer]
_________________________________
*Disconnected. - Connection Reset By Peer[/size]

[Top Gun]

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/americas/5925270.htm
http://jamaicaobserver.com/news/html/20030531T210000-0500_44514_OBS_US_YOUTHS_REBEL_AT_HARSH_SCHOOL_IN_COSTA_RICA.asp
Perhaps we misjudged them.

http://www.wwasp.com/thesource.htm This is the 'info' straight from the horse's mouth. (It would definitely be extremely foolish and naughty to d.o.s. it using and infinate self replicating perl script that overloaded their server with gazillions of simultanious requests)

[Nico]

Originally posted by an0n
Yeah, but I'm special.

yeah, funilly enough, I think that too, my friends too, and even my dog ( which I don't have, so he must be right ) think he's special.

[an0n]

I'm not a retard. I'm a real boy.

[Nico]

Yeah, yeah, Big Jim, I get you, boy.

[an0n]

*goes 'Old Yeller' on Venom*

Haha. That film was frikken awesome.

"No, ma. He's my dog. I'll do it...........*BOOM*"

I still think they shoulda had it maul the little kid who was trying to let it out. I mean, how dumb do you wanna be? A big-ass dog is snarling and barking at him so he tries to open the door? He deserved to be savaged.

[Bobboau]

yes, special,
you'd last about four years, get to level 5 three or four times then you'd crack. by the end of the fith year you would be quite subserviant to authority, note I didn't say act subserviant

there have been a few of these riots there was one near the wwasps HQ, and the one in costa rico, I think there was another one somewere else.

btw this thing is headed in Utah, the same state that is represented by senitor Orin Hatch (of "DL my music and I'll blow up your fancy compu-thingy...... somehow..." fame), is not that ironic?