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Offline kode

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Finally, about my skills, i'll only say that i've started programming in COBOL long ago... i'll leave the rest of the assumptions to you omniscent people...


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Offline Zarax

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No, just someone who started programming hierachic databases in the later eighties with a 286...
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You know, I used to think the way Zarax did, until I actually started using FreeBSD on a daily basis.

The reason I'm able to do that is that I realized that what I do is determined not by my software, but my tasks. I do email, take notes, browse the web, program, and open shell connection to other machines. Sometimes, I actually need to read an Office document of some sort. All of these things I can do on FreeBSD using software that works exactly like Windows software (and is, in most cases, cross platform).

The only thing that Windows can do that my FreeBSD box cannot is play games and model. This is okay. I keep windows around so I can play games and do Lightwave work. No problem. These don't affect my work.

Now consider the average user... say, my mother, or my wife. Neither one is a techie. But when it comes down to it, what does Microsoft offer them that a BSD or Linux does not? Browsers? Email? text editors? Not really anything. If you're teaching a non-techie to use a computer from scratch, how likely is it that they will like Windows better? Not much. People just like to stick to what they're familiar with.

That's what I think Zarax's problem is: he doesn't want to use a nonMicrosoft OS because it is different from the familiar. That's okay, but its a far cry from "linsux will always be behind Microsoft'.

Side Note: 'Linsux' is every bit as moronic as 'Micro$oft' and 'M$'. Grow up.
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[color=66ff00]WinXP is a good example of everything that is wrong with M$ in my opinion; unnecesarily large, irrelevant content, disturbing hardware requirements, what should be an illegal 'imposed security feature' i.e. the authentication (does this help the end user in any way? No. It simply makes life more profitiable for M$ at the expense of usability).

Win2K is where they should have stopped, had they given it the compatability of XP you would actually have an OS worth talking about. If Linux had the game compatability of Windows and an overall increase in ease of installation I guarantee you that M$ would lose a remarkable chunk of it's user base, a user base forced to utilise microsoft products due to the insidious method of their design. Gamers.

Blimey, I haven't been in rant mode for a while, only M$ has the cabability of doing it. ;) :lol:
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Offline Martinus

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Originally posted by mikhael
Side Note: 'Linsux' is every bit as moronic as 'Micro$oft' and 'M$'. Grow up.

[color=66ff00]Heheh. :D
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Offline Zarax

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Well, i have to admit that you have a lot of arguments...
Anyways, i see it's useless to try reasoning with so many prejudice filled people...
Eolas case just showed how everyone needs Microsoft based technology, even those that shouts around that are a "better alternative"... It's funny to see how W3C, which includes most MS competitors, rallied to help Microsoft in keeping Internet Explorer without changes... Just a lesson to all the zealots around.
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Funny you should mention zealots., Zarax. You're sounding like one.

The Eolas case is interesting. Microsoft lost because of clear infringement. Microsoft's competitors backed up Microsoft NOT for Microsoft's benefit, but because the patent (and the system that allowed it in the first place) was hopelessly wrong. It should never have come down to that. Make sure when you cite a case like Eolas v. Microsoft Corp. you know the facts.

I think if you read more than this thread, you'll discover that most of us use Windows daily (whether we like it or not), but we chose (freely, and of our own will) something else for our favorite OS. That's not zealotry. That's freedom of choice. No one is telling you that YOU must use Linux or BSD. We're telling you why we don't like or use Microsoft.

Frankly, I don't care if you were patching jumpers on the face of Colossus. Having written in COBOL (which many of us have) on a 286 (which many of used) doesn't gain you points here. Your attitude, demeanor and ability to express your opinions in a cogent way do. Claiming 'I WRITE IN TEH COBOL!" is the same as saying "RESPECT ME. I HAVE A HIGH POST COUNT". It is meaningless.
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Offline Odyssey

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Originally posted by Zarax
"only" 5 years?
On a such old hardware you should try Windows NT or 2000...

[color=cc9900]You're saying 5 years is a long time? You can't have been alive as long as you say you have then, if that's your viewpoint on things.
Uhh... Yeah... Somehow I doubt 2000 would run with ~42 megs of memory. Something to do with being overly bloated, and, well... Microsofty. Yes, WinNT 4.0 runs on it, as does Win98SE. But slowly.
Now Linux, there's a different matter - 70mhz, whatever you might say, is not slow when it's running a proper operating system.

Now, I don't understand your hatred of IBM... Something to do with Microsoft stealing stuff from them way back, maybe?[/color]

 

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Nah, IBM was a monster back in the old days, Odyssey. IBM was the original tech monopolist, and earned a serious reputation for evil. They seem to have repented after the minicomputer market died.
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It was to do with how Microsoft was formed if I recall.

Bill Gates used to get a fixed amount for each new version of MS-DOS (This was before it came to light that MS-DOS wasn't even written by BG ) however, as sales grew, it became apparent to BG that he was being ripped off. Now, our Bill, he doesn't like being the 'rippee', he much prefers being the 'ripper', so he quit IBM and started his own show.
Please note that BG only looked like he was being ripped off, and casually forgot that the original MS-DOS software was a very slightly altered version of a Swedish program.
That said, I like Windows, yes, It's a resource hog, but if you are lazy, like me, it really is the best OS to have :)

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Offline Zarax

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5 years are a long time for a PC, simply that... And about IBM... 20 years ago people plauded MS as a savior, since OS2 was the most monstrous OS ever made... if you thing something made by MS is bad, you never saw that thing, which required 15 minutes to boot and was a pc port of an abortive mainframe os...
Microsoft market dominance came by the fact that Windows was faster, nimbler and did require less hardware... not to mention backward compatibility... which is the true factor about MS success...
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Offline kode

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OS/2 was a joint  project between IBM and microsoft, and it was not 20 years ago that. And it was seksi as hell. I'd use it today, if I could only find my discs.
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Offline phreak

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i think i have a big OS/2 box lying around somewhere
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Offline Odyssey

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Originally posted by Zarax
not to mention backward compatibility... which is the true factor about MS success...

[color=cc9900]Something they seem to have forgotten with XP etc. and drivers, methinks.[/color]

 

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LOL I had the horrible Amstrad 6128 'answer' to OS/2, I can't even remember what it was called! Oh yes, and the old Windows 3.00 and Windows for Workgroups was, and still is, a bloody awesome piece of software :)

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Offline Odyssey

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[color=cc9900]Ah crud... Not even Linux could save the laptop from a half-pint of a non-alcoholic liquid. Me and my clumsy hands... Ah well, I'll set it out to dry, it oughta work fine in the morning, it's pretty darn solid.[/color]

 

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You have my sympathy Odyssey, the worst part about it is the terrible action on the keys for weeks afterwards :(

 

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[color=cc9900]The first thing that happened after I'd mopped up and tried to turn it on afterwards was it switched to 'ready to reflash BIOS' mode. Damn fruit juice, knows exactly what keys to short to put the laptop in setup modes ^_^ Then it got past post then froze, then it got to post and froze, now it... turns on. But doesn't initialise the monitor. Or do much else. HD still spins though. Hmm...[/color]

 

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Originally posted by Zarax
5 years are a long time for a PC, simply that... And about IBM... 20 years ago people plauded MS as a savior, since OS2 was the most monstrous OS ever made... if you thing something made by MS is bad, you never saw that thing, which required 15 minutes to boot and was a pc port of an abortive mainframe os...
Microsoft market dominance came by the fact that Windows was faster, nimbler and did require less hardware... not to mention backward compatibility... which is the true factor about MS success...


You've failed your computer history Zarax. And somehow, I suspect you weren't there.
If you think that OS/2 was "an abortive mainframe os", you don't know enough about the history of your OS, nor the corporations that were involved in its creation. Just as a side note, to remind everyone: MS-DOS 1.0 debuted in 1981 on IBM computers through a deal between IBM and Microsoft.  OS/2 debuted in 1987.

OS/2 was a joint project between IBM and Microsoft. After Microsoft declared the partnership null and void, they each went their own way. OS/2 continued as a successor to Windows and Microsoft created WindowsNT. Neither was fast, but neither was particularly faster than the other. Each could run the other's programs back then. Both were backward compatible with all the software that was out there at the time. Even after Microsoft dropped all but OS/2 console compatibility, OS/2 maintained a win32 compaitibility layer, so you could use your Win16 programs. When Windows For Workgroups and NT3.51 came out, OS2 had already been doing  everything either of the Microsoft offerings could do and booted faster, was more memory efficient and was more stable as well. Oh, and OS/2 could preemptively multitask, which Windows could not do until Win95 and NT3.51

The problem was one of image. Microsoft's WFW3.11 and WinNT3.51 succeeded because they looked like what everyone was familiar with: Windows 3.0. OS/2 looked different. It did things differently than people expected. It was never marketted at home users. Microsoft on the other hand, aggressively pursued the home market, and the educational systems.
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Offline Flipside

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Odyssey... fruit juice is bad, acid on circuitboards :(

Well, you're best bet is to open it up and clean it, but since it is a laptop, I'm not sure how easy or practical it would be. Your second best bet is to leave it to dry, the water in juice may be causing problems, and a nap can often help PC's ;)

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