[Setekh]

Originally posted by Sandwich
Freespace: The Lost Leg, I See.

Well, that's better... I guess...

[q]Daniel Jackson: Well, I've completed the translation... the inscription says "Place of our Legacy". Either that, or "A Piece of our Leg", but the first... makes more sense.[/q]

Originally posted by Sandwich
All that means, though, is that we cannot allow GS/FP to provide the FULL GAME "ISO" (or whatever) to the FilePlanet subscribers preferentially. Nothing about the source code.

Hmm, that's what I'm inclined to believe also. I'll have to have email him back and tell him this.

[KARMA]

I think a definitive clarification could come only from
maybe if they don't replay you could try to send a mail to daveb?

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Ace
As stated before since FS2 is already on the Underdogs, the SCP being on Fileplanet for download should not be an issue except for Gamespy's wanting beta versions for subscribers only. Since that is commercially exploiting the code, it is in violation of the sourcecode liscense agreement.

I don't think that even that would apply. The source code isn't being commercially exploited. It's still available for download here for free.
 The game itself may be available for subscribers only at first but again that is available on HotU and has recieved no complaints either.
 All GS are offering is an easy way for their subscribers to download something that is available elsewhere. If that counts as commercial exploitation GS would probably have to pull all the demos from their subscriber servers too since they would also be commercially exploited.

 Besides we do have an e-mail from an Interplay employee who states that they don't own the rights. If Interplay do complain we can always use that to say that we tried to contact them about this and got told that it was nothing to do with them.

[Fineus]

As far as the "exclusive code for subscribers" thing goes, I'm inclined to tell them where they can stick their subscribers. The BF1942 or HL communities may be so large that they have to conform to that kind of thing - but we're about reaching people and spreading FS2 around the world, not selling out to FilePlanet simply because they've taken notice of us.

My opinion? The support would be fantastic, but we shouldn't compromise ourselves for that support alone.

[übermetroid]

Good opinion.  If the allow it to be downloaded by everybody go for it, if not we are going to have to stick to what we have now.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Kalfireth
As far as the "exclusive code for subscribers" thing goes, I'm inclined to tell them where they can stick their subscribers. The BF1942 or HL communities may be so large that they have to conform to that kind of thing - but we're about reaching people and spreading FS2 around the world, not selling out to FilePlanet simply because they've taken notice of us.

My opinion? The support would be fantastic, but we shouldn't compromise ourselves for that support alone.

 If I've understood things correctly it sounds like they are mearly asking that the subscribers get exclusive access to the Full FS2 + Source Code package for a couple of months before they throw it open to all the people who haven't paid.
 It wouldn't affect anyone in the established community at all and would only mean a short delay between us getting an influx of newbies from GS subscribers and a second influx from everyone else. Having it on GS would also mean we would hit a much wider userbase than if we simply put it up somewhere else and pimped it.

Originally posted by ubermetroid
Good opinion.  If the allow it to be downloaded by everybody go for it, if not we are going to have to stick to what we have now.

Ask yourself how many people came here cause of the HotU download?
 If we for instance put up the download on Swooh and pimped it quite heavily we probably wouldn't get many more people than the HotU release got us. A full release on GS on the other hand could get us hundreds of new members. I don't consider a wait of a couple of weeks or months between the subscriber and public release to high a price to pay for that.

[kasperl]

to be honest, i don't care what gamespy does. i'd give them all we've got on the liscence, and then just let them get on with it.  we should however, make a newbie forum or two before the release, just to be sure. also, be sure to note the Linux and Mac releases.

[Fineus]

Originally posted by karajorma


 If I've understood things correctly it sounds like they are mearly asking that the subscribers get exclusive access to the Full FS2 + Source Code package for a couple of months before they throw it open to all the people who haven't paid.
 It wouldn't affect anyone in the established community at all and would only mean a short delay between us getting an influx of newbies from GS subscribers and a second influx from everyone else. Having it on GS would also mean we would hit a much wider userbase than if we simply put it up somewhere else and pimped it.

True, the trouble is the SCP is highly interactive at this stage. People make changes, release the beta builds and the rest of us try it and say what we think. I've no idea if this is the case but GS might suddenly say "no releasing ***t to the public untill you give it to subscribers first" which would mean none of us could test it unless we were actually working on the project.... effectively all the community would have to be signed up as beta testers so they could get around having to wait for official releases.

Of course, I've no idea if that's the case - it just might happen.

[karajorma]

I doubt very much that is what they mean. If it is we tell them it's far too high a price.

Much more likely is that they want the download of Fractux's version with the installer to be theirs only for a couple of months. I can understand their reasoning for that and it seems reasonable if we're going to ask for 1.5Gig of their server and the bandwidth for people to download it that GS can make some hay from it too.
 
Besides if they try it we simply explain that the SCP need community interaction in this way to squash bugs. Limiting the SCP would only serve to hurt their own subscribers as much as everyone else.

Besides how could they stop anyone releasing builds on VWBB?

[WMCoolmon]

I skimmed through the thread, here's what I think...

Get to 3.6 (with multiplayer), finish the media VP for that release, and then put it up for download. Multiplayer MUST be included in the GS release, or else most people will just play it and forget about it.

My $.02

[Drew]

Originally posted by WMCoolmon
Get to 3.6 (with multiplayer), finish the media VP for that release, and then put it up for download. Multiplayer MUST be included in the GS release, or else most people will just play it and forget about it.

second!
But you have to get HT&L working too! HT&L would be a godsend for ppl with slower pcs.
and simplifyting the command line functions...

[Liberator]

You may make copies of the Software for your personal noncommercial home entertainment use and to give to friends and acquaintances on a no cost noncommercial basis. [/i]This limited right to copy the Software expressly excludes any copying or distribution of the Software on a commercial basis, including, without limitation, bundling the product with any other product or service and any give away of the Software in connection with another product or service.

The bit highlighted is the key, as long as there is a way to obtain it from the same source for no cost it should be okay.  Thusly, it would have to made available simultaneously to both subscribers and non-subscribers.  If they grouse about it, we'll explain it to them, failing that I dunno.

[Setekh]

Actually, guys, I think the whole argument over compromising to FP's subscribers is moot. I don't think it is legal at all - it can't be made available to people through a paid service, no matter what. I'm writing an email now highlighting that point and I'll send it off to GS.

[Fineus]

Sweet, all my points were just idle worrying for the sake of it (you can't be to careful)...

[Sandwich]

Originally posted by Setekh
Actually, guys, I think the whole argument over compromising to FP's subscribers is moot. I don't think it is legal at all - it can't be made available to people through a paid service, no matter what. I'm writing an email now highlighting that point and I'll send it off to GS.

Actually, the question is whether the FP subscribers pay money for the unlimited bandwidth in downloading, or in special and early perks, such as getting files a week before everyone else - or both. I think it's both.

Therefore, if that is the case, there should be no problem in allowing FP subscribers to download the file, just as long as it was available to non-subscribers at the same time. This way the only advantage of being a subscriber (as far as FS downloads is concerned) would be the extra bandwidth, not early and exclusive access.

[Setekh]

It's definitely both, and you're spot on with your second point. Exclusive access is the sticking point.

[Gloriano]

was there press reales before Source code was released? or anything about lisence

because i could check them and think would it be legal

because well i know lot about how licenses work etc.bla bla

[Setekh]

Yeah... I wasn't properly present when the actual code release happened. Anyone else give a hand?

[kode]

there were a press release, IIRC. dunno where I saw it, tho.

[SadisticSid]

This is great news. Will the 'full' installation include the MVE->AVI converted movies as well?

I'm definitely in agreement with WMCoolmon. As great as FS2's single player is, it's the multiplayer that people who'll be downloading this (think... broadband users who like games) will want. And the current bugs with HT&L need stomping as well. The amount of new blood to the community could be huge if this succeeds.

Have you guys also considered using GSI's newsletters and so on to advertise for programmers willing to contribute to the SCP?