[karajorma]

Originally posted by .::Tin Can::.
Not to mention that small incident with Castro in Cuba, where the psycho terrorized Africa, Grenada, and Central America from Cuba.  

You really need to learn your history better.

1) America was the country that screwed around in Africa not Cuba. Cuba may have helped the communist goverment in Angola but the Amercans were to ones who backed Savimbi and his UNITA forces against the governement even after Savimbi was found guilty of commiting war crimes. When Angola finally had free democratic elections the MPLA won, UNITA then continued their campaign of terror in Angola and America didn't do anything to help put right the mess they made in that country until 9/11 forced them to reconsider who their friends and enemies were.

2) The invasion of Grenada was complete stupidity. Regan got it into his head that the students there were in danger from the cubans coming onto the island. Not only was there no danger but the cubans and americans were actually quite friendly (I saw interviews with some rather bemused students who said that they had played basketball with the cubans).
 The cubans weren't there to take over Grenada. In fact they were only there to help build an airport so that Grenada could make more money from tourism.
 Regan somehow got it into his head that this was a dangerous situations. He spent millions spying on the "military airbase" in Grenada to prepare for invasion. The BBC simply sent a reporter who the cubans were more than happy to show around the island.
 In the firefight to take Grenada the american students on the island finally did feel there was a danger to them when the american troops opened fire on their building.
 
The invasion of Grenada achieved nothing. It was just pure stupidity. Regan pushed the invasion forwards even though there was no danger and his military advisors told him not to. Due to his stupidity and constant pushing for the military to speed up a group of navy seals sent in to reconoitre went straight to the bottom of the ocean. Due to his stupidity yet another hospital got bombed by American planes unable to find the correct target.  Due to his stupidity the invasion of Grenada was planned on a road map from a petrol station!

If I were you Tin Can I'd continue the research because you don't know half as much as you think you do.

[Gank]

Reagans the guy that bombed lybia because the Iranians blew up an airliner right?

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by someone

"The trademark of a True Leader is the willingness and ability to put aside public opinion and make the right decision."
 

what, like Stalin?

[an0n]

Or Mao.

[aldo_14]

*insert list of dictators here*

[an0n]

Not Hitler though.

He did things the other way and engineered an overwhelming level of public support for his actions.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by an0n
Not Hitler though.

He did things the other way and engineered an overwhelming level of public support for his actions.

Hard to judge, though.  The Nazi's never had a majority before they were in power, and once they did get in, Hitler could use the various secret police and paramilitaries to force public opinion.

[an0n]

It doesn't really matter as the point is moot. Hitler's actions could hardly be considered the right ones.

[Rictor]

[.::Tin Can::.]

If I were you Tin Can I'd continue the research because you don't know half as much as you think you do.

And where the **** do you think I get this information from? Research, wise guy... if I have seen something or I am told something and I've heard OR seen it on a document, then I am obviously going to use that supposed "information" in my arguments. Not all of us lived the experience, so we had to find out for ourselves...

[an0n]

Just because you read it in Dr Seuss doesn't make it real.

[.::Tin Can::.]

It wasnt Dr. Seuss dumbass...

[01010]

Mmm, roast newbie.

[an0n]

I think "Burn, *****, burn" has more of a ring to it.

[.::Tin Can::.]

Gravy, I thought I would be bashed at some point.

[an0n]

Gravy

........I hate you so much.

[.::Tin Can::.]

I hate you too, your point being?

[karajorma]

Originally posted by .::Tin Can::.
And where the **** do you think I get this information from? Research, wise guy... if I have seen something or I am told something and I've heard OR seen it on a document, then I am obviously going to use that supposed "information" in my arguments. Not all of us lived the experience, so we had to find out for ourselves...

That's why I said to continue it. It's obvious that you've done a fair bit but your sources are all very biased.  It's obvious that they all paint Regan as a great man and gloss over or just flat out lie about his mistakes.
 I'm suggesting you open your horizons a little and don't just listen to what you heard from them. Mikhael has corrected you twice about your assumptions that Carter left the economy in the toilet but you've just ignored him. Try reading a little about Regan from that point of view instead of assuming he's a great man just because several republican supporting publications tell you he is.

As for your comments about Cuban influence in Africa you might want to reconsider your statements before going on about what happened in Angola when you are speaking to someone who is half-angolan and who therefore keeps no doubt keeps a much closer eye on what happens in that country than you do.

[.::Tin Can::.]

The foreign policy is always going to be sketchy for me, but when my parents lived through Jimmy's mistakes and had to put up with his bull, and then had Regan and he fixed everything for them, they both agree it was the greatest president they have, and my mom is 50 and my dad is 45...

[karajorma]

Doesn't mean they are correct.  Sure Regan might have been good for them but that doesn't mean that he was great. The poll tax was a better system for my family than the community charge they replaced it with but I was very much against it because it seemed fundementally unfair to me.

Remember that it was Regan's foreign policy that took Osama Bin Laden from a life of luxury in Saudi Arabia and told him to fight a jihad. That shows very poor judgement but american presidents (and british PM's to be fair) continue to show the same poor judgement in raising up tin pot dictators and rebel leaders.

That doesn't make them great. It makes them idiots.

Besides if foreign policy is sketchy to you I suggest not trying to use it to support your arguements. Had you claimed that Regan was domestically a good president I wouldn't have even entered the discussion but if you're going to claim that his foreign policy which you admit you don't know well was sound then be prepared to be called on it.