[Liberator]

mik, this has been ask and answered a millions times for a million different people, including and especially, one Sgt. Alvin York during the first world war.

The commandment says specifically: "Thou shalt not kill"

Now the literal meaning is obvious, but the taking of life in war held in a much different light than murder.  One would think that you would know this from your time in the military.

Remember, after giving this commandment, God aided the Hebrews in a campaign to retake the lands given by God to Abraham, father of the Jewish race, after their centuries long bondage in Egypt.

Before I get pounded on it:

Yes, I know Abraham is also the Father of the Arab race.  However, he fathered Ishmael with a servant girl, due to a lack of faith in God, who said that his 90 year old wife, Sarah, would bear him a son.  Ishmael and his mother were subsequently turned out of the camp when Sarah became pregnant at the ripe old age of 98, IIRC.

[Setekh]

Originally posted by Liberator
The commandment says specifically: "Thou shalt not kill"

Lib, this has been spoken about many times, but it would be helpful for you to quote it correctly - the commandment is thou shalt not murder. Ask Sandwich for more details.

And on that note, Mike, that's an excellent quote. One of the tragedies of the world is that many of us have brought death upon ourselves.

[Sandwich]

Originally posted by Liberator
The commandment says specifically: "Thou shalt not kill"

No it doesn't.  It says "Thou shalt not murder."

Edit: Steak beat me to it.

[Bobboau]

yeah lib, this has been covered in great depth here on this board, it's murder

[Setekh]

*refuses to comment about birth-separation*

And on the subject of the assassination, I hope more life than death comes from it. I'm holding my breath watching for any retaliation.

[Nico]

Originally posted by Setekh
Lib, this has been spoken about many times, but it would be helpful for you to quote it correctly - the commandment is thou shalt not murder. Ask Sandwich for more details.

The french version would translate as "kill", not "murder". So, who's right?
Btw, starting this thread, that's REALLY calling for it, no?

[Bobboau]

retaliation is unavoidable

[Bobboau]

well it doesn't mater what is says in french, english, german, or swahelli,
in hebrew it was murder.

[Sandwich]

Originally posted by Nico


The french version would translate as "kill", not "murder". So, who's right?
Btw, starting this thread, that's REALLY calling for it, no?

The original Hebrew is "tirzach" - the imperative form of the word "murder".

[Liberator]

my apologies, it's 2 am here and it's easy to get confused.  Especially when your parents don't keep anything but a KJV around.

[Sandwich]

KJV has "...not kill." ???

Edit: Wow, it does. The New King James Version corrects the error, though.

[Bobboau]

hmm, well...

all they found of Yassin was his head aparently.

[aldo_14]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3556099.stm

Is it really such a great and useful act to kill an old man in a wheelchair?  I mean, will this advance peace in any way whatsoever?  Or whill it just accelerate the circle of violence?

[Bobboau]

well that old man was one of the purest incarnations of hate the world has ever known, and was directly involved in the organisation of plaistinian atacks, so, yeah, I think so

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Bobboau
well that old man was one of the purest incarnations of hate the world has ever known, and was directly involved in the organisation of plaistinian atacks, so, yeah, I think so

But, much as the bloke deserved to die, will it really solve anything?  

I mean, there was 15,000 palestinians out in the streets to protests, it's certainly not calmed the situation down over there.... surely the concern has to be for the future?

More importantly, is he not more dangerous as a martyr?

[Goober5000]

Wow.  This is a positive development, though long overdue.  Still shocked to see it happen, though.  While it will undoubtedly help to reduce terrorism in the future, I'm worried about the short-term repurcussions.

Originally posted by Sandwich
KJV has "...not kill." ???

Edit: Wow, it does. The New King James Version corrects the error, though.

Heh - there was even a translation* published in 1795 that said, "Thou shall commit adultery."

*C.F. here and elsewhere.

[Bobboau]

I don't think leaveing him alive would have helped the situation very much ether, it's people like him that oder a suicide atack on the day of some bold new peace inititive.

[Gank]

Originally posted by Bobboau
bold new peace inititive.

 What bold new peace inititives have been made in the middle east recently?

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Gank


 What bold new peace inititives have been made in the middle east recently?

all the ones that failed

[Gank]

Aye but what one did he order an attack on the day of?