[.::Tin Can::.]

Originally posted by Tiara
Aw, shut it Tin Can Don't want to participate, then don't.

And Rictor, it's quite hard to explain what I mean on a message board cause you seem to misunderstand me. Anyways, just let it be. This is a subject thats easier to teach my students then you guys on a message board

Every time I DO participate it always ends in flamings... I'm doing you a favor Tiara...

[Liberator]

Originally posted by Ghostavo
*blows up a random desert with a 100 megaton nuclear warhead*

We've been over this, even the Soviets, paranoid or not, could not conceive of a situation that would require such a powerful weapon, so none exist and you would be hunted and killed by every Nuclear capable nation for building and detonating such a device.  It's too big for planetary use.

[Bobboau]

"could not conceive of a situation that would require such a powerful weapon"

this'l get them damned roaches

[Liberator]

:roflmfao:

[Ghostavo]

Liberator, it was just an absurd example...

Now to continue, Tiara, being right is diferent from being good.

Being right is being correct, example 2+2=4... this is "right". Each nation do what they think is correct for achieving a certain goal. But because their choice isn't a simple mathematical calculation it becomes something more complex.

Being good depends on the moral of the person or society involved. It involves the idea of right, although right doesn't involve the idea of good. It is a little hard to explain but I will give you an example.

In my opinion (my moral) what the US did when they blew the hell out of Hiroshima was wrong (not good). But I know that they did the right thing to achieve their goals. It was not good but it was correct.

[Gank]

Originally posted by Liberator
We've been over this, even the Soviets, paranoid or not, could not conceive of a situation that would require such a powerful weapon, so none exist and you would be hunted and killed by every Nuclear capable nation for building and detonating such a device.  It's too big for planetary use.

Wrong. Tsar Bomba.
http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Russia/Sovwarhead.html

[Tiara]

Originally posted by Ghostavo
Liberator, it was just an absurd example...

Now to continue, Tiara, being right is diferent from being good.

Being right is being correct, example 2+2=4... this is "right". Each nation do what they think is correct for achieving a certain goal. But because their choice isn't a simple mathematical calculation it becomes something more complex.

Being good depends on the moral of the person or society involved. It involves the idea of right, although right doesn't involve the idea of good. It is a little hard to explain but I will give you an example.

In my opinion (my moral) what the US did when they blew the hell out of Hiroshima was wrong (not good). But I know that they did the right thing to achieve their goals. It was not good but it was correct.

*deep sigh*

Being right equals good when applied to historic events. Not mathematical problems

I'm not going to have a philosophical debate right now. We have visitors here. I just came to check my mails. Maybe later.

[Ghostavo]

Then we are talking about diferent subjects.

Please be more... er... acurate next time .

Gank... that is one mother f*****!!

[Rictor]

confucious says: every person alive thinks they're right. If they didn't, they would either change their opinion, or change their perception of right.

[Liberator]

Originally posted by Gank


Wrong. Tsar Bomba.
http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Russia/Sovwarhead.html

Was never detonated.  As the article states, it's useless.

[Gank]

Uh-huh. But you were still wrong.

Found this interesting:
http://www.spacewar.com/2004/040420154719.soi8dhtt.html

[Gank]

Originally posted by Rictor
confucious says: every person alive thinks they're right. If they didn't, they would either change their opinion, or change their perception of right.

Confucious is talking out of his arse.

[Rictor]

I think not. Whatever you do is by definition right according to you, becuase while there may be pro/con factors, you obviously decide that the pro factors outwiegh the cons, and therefore regiard the decision as "right" in your personal morality scale. Sort of like survival of the fittest. Whoever survives is by defintion the fittest, you can't go counter to that.

[Gank]

Thats bull****, I often did things I knew were wrong. For example I used to rob fags when I was younger, I didnt think it was right at the time nor do I know, but I went ahead and did it anyways.

[Rictor]

You mean as in gay people are is there some other meaning I need to be made aware of? So why did you do it? Either it would be cause you needed the money or whatever it was you were stealing, or cause you thought it was fun. The need/fun factor obviously outweighed the "its wrong" factor, so your moral compass held your need/fun in higher regard, thus making it "right".

Similarly, if I steal a loaf of bread to feed my family, there are 2 factors at at work. My need and the general morality which says that stealing is wrong. In my mind, what I am doing is not wrong becuase the need factor overrides morality.

[Rictor]

Originally posted by Gank
Uh-huh. But you were still wrong.

Found this interesting:
http://www.spacewar.com/2004/040420154719.soi8dhtt.html

No way they're going to bring back the draft. People wouldn't stand for it, and **** (or whoever) would be booted out of office within the week.

[Ghostavo]

Rictor, you may be left in situations where there is no "good" choice.

Right (at least the way I use the word "right") hasn't got anything to do with the morals of a person. The "right" choice is the "best" choice.

[01010]

Originally posted by Rictor
You mean as in gay people are is there some other meaning I need to be made aware of? So why did you do it? Either it would be cause you needed the money or whatever it was you were stealing, or cause you thought it was fun. The need/fun factor obviously outweighed the "its wrong" factor, so your moral compass held your need/fun in higher regard, thus making it "right".

Similarly, if I steal a loaf of bread to feed my family, there are 2 factors at at work. My need and the general morality which says that stealing is wrong. In my mind, what I am doing is not wrong becuase the need factor overrides morality.

FYI: Fag in the U.K is a cigarette anywhere else.

[Rictor]

101010: yeah, I knew that, but it didn't make much sense: "rob cigarettes". unless he meant steal...

Ghostavo: "best" is even more subjective than "right".

[Rictor]

don't mess with Texas