[Unknown Target]

Originally posted by DaBrain


Why didn't you say that in the first place ?



So this Freespace: Reborn project did do something illegal ?

If so there is no way I will release this.

I don't think [V] particularly cares. After all, there are zillions of mods out there with [V] textures.

[DaBrain]

Even if they don't care it seems pointless to release, because there are only a few people who like it.

Plus it would be (somehow) illegal.

Why aren't there links anymore... Perhaps that's related with that.

[Lt.Cannonfodder]

Originally posted by ShadowDrakken
Hrm, first pic looks better, second pic looks like the only difference is it now has pinstripes... talk about UGLY

if that's all the more you're gonna do is putting poorly chosen filters on an otherwise unchanged image, stop wasting your time and everyone else's

That's nice, DaBrain does try to improve the textures and does not deserve comments like that. He seems to be a beginner in all this; do you think something like that will encourage him to better his work?

I do agree with you, though. The textures on Orion look weird, to say the least.

[ShadowDrakken]

Lt: he was told repeatedly it wouldn't work, he was given many honest and polite suggestions on what could be done, but instead he insiststhat it's the right way to go, and posts the earliest PoS he made on a few screenshots, knowing full well that it wouldn't go over well because the people offering suggestions could tell what it would do in game.  He got what he deserves

[Flipside]

LT, I agree that [V] probably wouldn't care, but everything that's been released up to this point has required FS2 to be installed already for it to work. If SCP is to become viable as a download, we need to remove as much [V] stuff as possible, since we are giving them the game AND the content this time

If there were a time for [V] to take exception, it would be then. I'm not saying that they would, just that they could.

[Rictor]

I find it pretty stupid that some people choose to criticize what is obviously a well intentioned and to a point - effective, push to renew the textures.

I for one like the new Orion textures. New textures would be preferable, but the revised ones by DaBrain show a visible improvement. Same with the other pictures posted earlier in the thread,

You can expect someone to open Photoshop and immediatly top Lightspeed. Textures are hard to do from scratch, and it takes lots of practice. I fully support whatever effort is made to make FS2 newer and shinier. If someone gets around to doing new textures (I hope so), great. But putting down someone's work when you haven't done anything yourself (ShadowDrakken) isn't helpful.

DaBrain, I hope you continue with your work on the textures, despite what some people have said. If you want to look into learning how to do textures from scratch, I say go for i, but if not than this is still a greater contribution than many here have made.

[Kosh]

Personally I like the textures that Volition did on their new ships. I thought the the Fenris and the Orion are both just ugly ships. But that's just me.

[ShadowDrakken]

Rictor: oh I'm sorry, we'll just forget that I'm employed as a graphics artist, I haven't EVER done any of this kind of thing.  Thank you, you've set me straight for sure.  Yes, we'll just pinstripe all the textures and call it better for it's obvious superiority. And we'll forget that not only have I offered to redo textures on my own time and at a fast pace, but that I also promised to have some out this weekend.  obviously that's not welcome however and I'll just delete mine because there's no pinstripes making them look better than the originals

[Liberator]

SD, tone it down a bit.  You may be all that and a bag of chips, but that doesn't give you the right to desparage someone of less skill than you.  At least he's trying something and learning to do better.  Your ego won't allow you to see past the end of your opinion, which is apparently rather short indeed.

I don't care if you are God incarnate with PS, knock it off.

[Ransom]

Those last few comments are oddly reminiscent of 12 Angry Men.

DaBrain has contributed quite a bit recently, and every time (to my knowledge) he's been kicked in the face in return by a fair few people. His work might not equal Lightspeed's, but he deserves at least some recognition for having a go, which is more than a lot of people here have done, including myself.

[Bobboau]

yes, but you shouldn't praise someone for there work when it simply isn't good, if somethng is ugly you should say so, otherwise you wont get any better

[Nico]

Originally posted by ShadowDrakken
Rictor: oh I'm sorry, we'll just forget that I'm employed as a graphics artist, I haven't EVER done any of this kind of thing.  Thank you, you've set me straight for sure.  Yes, we'll just pinstripe all the textures and call it better for it's obvious superiority. And we'll forget that not only have I offered to redo textures on my own time and at a fast pace, but that I also promised to have some out this weekend.  obviously that's not welcome however and I'll just delete mine because there's no pinstripes making them look better than the originals

So what, because there's pros around ( according to them, of course ), does this mean they have to shut the beginers? I'm a 3d artist myself ( tho unemployed at the moment ), maybe I should consider some "slaying n00bs" party?
For god's sake, what an elitist way of thinking :rollreyes:

[KARMA]

BTW I see no point actually even in redrawing the maps from scratch using the originals as templates.
Most if not all of the ships needs not only BETTER maps, but also DIFFERENT maps and DIFFERENT uvmaps without countless tileings.
that's my 2 cents

[Flipside]

As I said before, some people here are extremely blunt, it's not a failing, just in their nature, and shouldn't be taken so personally.

Whether we like it or not, there is no room for artistic temperaments around here, from anyone.

[Fineus]

Uh, guys - would you all please be a tad more considerate of others? Everyone has a different level of skill and style that they like to work with - this community should be inspiring the best of people and helping them to improve, certainly not insulting them.
Keep in mind that some people take criticism better than others - certainly if I'd worked hard on something and thought it was really good, I'd be pretty peeved and put off to be told "how can you create that POS?"

ShadowDrakken, I appreciate the fact that you may feel frustrated that your work hasn't been taken up immediately. Perhaps if you created an example on a ship of your choice and showed everyone what you were capable of - they'd be much more receptive to the offer. Around here people are generally happier to support ideas if they have at least an idea of what they're looking at... so make up an example and show what you can do.

However, stop your attitude right there. For all I know you could've been resposible for the textures in use in Half Life 2 or Far Cry. But as nice as it is - it won't get you a free ticket to mistreat others around here. By all means offer advice - harsh advice if need be. But please don't throw insults and such at others from here on - especially considering how recent a member you are to the community.

With that in mind, continue - and best of luck to all involved with creating some new textures. There's certainly some good ideas coming to the front.

[ShadowDrakken]

I was never interested in a fight, but I WILL defend myself if I'm attacked.  I WAS being helpful, but you know, DaBrain asked for help then ignored every last bit of it, THAT'S why he got trashed, not for trying, but for NOT TRYING

But hey, it's cool, DaBrain keep working on it, plenty of people here like what you've done. I'll keep my stuff to myself since that's what the consensus is.

[Turambar]

no, no, not at all.  We wan't the high-quality products of a graphics artist or whatever it is you do, just dont be so harsh on everyone else.  Post some screenies and make people happy

[DaBrain]

Even though I thought it wouldn't be necessary, it seems that I have to show this picture.
Perhaps now somebody can guess the actual idea behind it (my first attempt was even less time-expensive, but also less effectiv).

(2x size)






As I don't have much time, I try to support FSSCP with good ideas.
But if I have time to do something, will try to do it (But it's not my top priority)

@ShadowDrakken Sorry you got no answer, but I think you didn't really took a look on it. And your comment only refferd to one map. As this is a matter of personal taste, there was nothing for me to answer. (So I tried to take it with humor )

Redrawing only one map is pointless. Try to concentrate on the fighter maps, or perhaps the most used ones, or perhaps the ugliest ones.

It would be helpful if you could tell me what exactly it is that you don't like. I only know it's "brick-ish look" for one map, but I really can't understand why.

(I'm working now on a method that doesn't need the old maps, but won't need that much time. Even though it gives me new problems it should "create" allnew and different textures. It's only hard to realize it for all textures...)

Edit: I need to do new shinemaps too, so don't expect anything soon.

[ShadowDrakken]

Turambar: I havent' the foggiest idea how to take textures out of the game or put them back in, I just offered to make higher res ones.  Soemone else gets to get them back in the game.  But I've lost interest now, and it's probably better if I avoid threads like these because I'll only get people too hot it seems

[Turambar]

heres what you do, download vpview from the old original Freespace 2/ Descent 3 website.  Then you open up sparky_fs2.vp and go to maps and everything is right in there.  I've tried making hi-res textures, but i ended up just putting filters on things, so i stopped myself

Edit: Just do a google search for vpview, you'll find it