[Nico]

Neither. The first one who hits wins. Well, I guess that can qualify as speed. A good kick in the shin-bone or the balls, and I tell you, no matter how fast or strong the dude is, he's history, period.
All the rest is nerd crap.

[Ghostavo]

The smarter guy...

The one who spent time in the army long enough to know how to behave himself in a fight.

[Genryu]

Originally posted by Nico
Neither. The first one who hits wins. Well, I guess that can qualify as speed. A good kick in the shin-bone or the balls, and I tell you, no matter how fast or strong the dude is, he's history, period.
 

Depends, I remember a time when I told a guy in a bus to shut up. Guy punched me in the face. Instinctic reaction : I punched him too. Results : Me enjoying the quiet for the rest of the travel, he enjoying a little nap courtesy of myself

[Nico]

well, he didn't mean to harm you, then. Even a very weak guy, he punches you right in the nose, you won't fight back for half a minute. We ain't in movies, and you needn't punch hard so it hurts an awful lot, if you aim at the nose. Anyway, nothing beats the kick in the tibias, especially when you have Caterpilar shoes

[Cabbie]

I'm no ninja but I have seen quite a lot of fights between regular guys and they always end up grappling each other, slamming themselves on the wall or on the floor with one guy (usually the bigger guy) on top of the other punching the guy under in the face.

I don't know about other situations but from what I noticed - it's the bigger and stronger guy who gets the upper hand.

On the other hand, among trained martial artists, the closest I ever saw kung fu and Jujitsu masters go at each other is watching matches of Ultimate Fighting Championships. These guys both have SPEED and POWER  and I have seen some huge guys move fast - its scary.

But I noticed that good grapplers usually beat the punchers and kickers most of the time.

[Martinus]

[color=66ff00]Stealth are you talking generally? i.e. neither party is in any way trained to fight? If so I'd say the outcome will be coin toss material. As Nico said, whoever gets the first dig in.

If they're trained I believe that timing has a far greater influence on a fight than speed or strength.
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[Setekh]

Sorry, no expertise over here.

[TopAce]

I voted the first option.

[Unknown Target]

No expertise over here (that's what I voted), but I would think speed and stamina would win. If someone could dodge enough and take enough punches, then the other guy would get tired out, while the more stamina-gifted person would not be as tuckered out.
And, of course, the amount of speed you have would also allow you to land more punches than the big guy, because you have that opportunity to move quicker than he does.

[Lonestar]

How is what i say wrong? I said that a fight must be fought to determine the winner, and you cant prejudge a fight. I dont care if you got 20 years martial arts vs a no good bum, they fight to see who wins cause its not a certainty no matter your training.

And yes a little skinny asian guy could be a 6'8" 280 pnd body builder easy, hell anyone here 280 pnds and wants to spar with a 160 pounder? Ill gladly do it and provide the place to do it to show you size and power mean nothing.

As far as adreniline is concerned it gives NO EDGE as both participants are filled with it, therefore its not a factor you can include in the equation at all.

I dont see how anyone can sit here and say that they can tell who will win a fight based on size, speed and power, saying that shows how inexperienced and wet behind the ears you really are.

Stamina is great and all, but ive seen guys who can fight ten minutes go down in 1 minute from a punch or kick they didnt quite expect which knocked them the f out. Ive also seen powerful guys get beat from getting too tired of punching, and ive seen small skinny guys get pummelled by slow big guys. Ive seen it all pretty much and guaranteed you cant determine an outcome in a fight, you must let them fight first.

Before youb ash me again, if your a big guy, and think you can win any fight, go pick a fight right now and tell me if you won. And you skinny weak folk, go pick a fight with a big guy, and watch how you can dance circles around them, all the same dont let them grab you or your dead meat.

Moral of the story? Fights are fought to determine a winner, size, power, speed, stamina and mind mean nothing, what you do is what means something. Until something is done you cant judge a winner. Even boxing pro's concede a fight is fought to determine a winner, and if it was as easy as guessing who would win there would be no boxing association, they wouldnt fight and they would just vote in the best fighter. They dont do that do they? No they get guys to fight it out to see who wins. So sitting here debating what is better when any one of those features could be the deciding factor for any one fight is ridiculous.

Who will win the fight between the fast skinny guy and the big strong slow guy? Cant answer that, cause the skinny fast guy might get 100 shots in before the slow strong guy, or the slow strong guy might grab the skinny guy and bend him in half, cant tell what will happen thought, cause mind and reaction have a play in this whole scene. So who will win? Gonna have to watch and find out.

Anyone ever spar? Anyone ever fought someone smaller or bigger then them? If you answer yes to either of these then you know for  a fact a fight cant be predicted period.

Bash me all you want, fact is im right.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Unknown Target
No expertise over here (that's what I voted), but I would think speed and stamina would win. If someone could dodge enough and take enough punches, then the other guy would get tired out, while the more stamina-gifted person would not be as tuckered out.
And, of course, the amount of speed you have would also allow you to land more punches than the big guy, because you have that opportunity to move quicker than he does.

what if the small fast guy tripped, or missed? Then the big guy grabs him in his moment of weakness and crushes him like a fly? Fight is over, small guy loses.

it could go either way, hence why a fight is fought.

[Unknown Target]

Sucks that I have no beef with anyone around where I live, I can't go get in any fights

EDIT: And Lonestar's right, a fight can go either way. That's why I'd prefer to fight against some big, muscular and fast guy who has no idea what he's doing, than some quick little guy who knows jujitsu. It's all about experience and skill.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Unknown Target
Sucks that I have no beef with anyone around where I live, I can't go get in any fights

EDIT: And Lonestar's right, a fight can go either way. That's why I'd prefer to fight against some big, muscular and fast guy who has no idea what he's doing, than some quick little guy who knows jujitsu. It's all about experience and skill.

There is some small percentage of luck and circumstance that could change a fight quickly as well as the other more obvious circumstances and specs.

As for getting into fights, its not hard. You would be surprised how many willing fighters you can find in your neighbourhood.....however the best fighter knows how to walk away without ever having to fight. If your real good you can defend yourself whithout hurting your enemy, nothing more demoralizing then someone trying to hit you but is unable too. That is ultimate defeat in my eyes, not beating a man physically but beating him mentally is ,IMO, the best way to beat any man. Ive made people cry cause they couldnt hit me, only then did i realize the power of defense.

[Unknown Target]

My neighborhood? Try middle-class white suburbia, with one entrance and almost no kids within 10 minutes walking distance of me (most of the houses here are really spread out, after all, it is an island )

[Flipside]

I agree with Cabbie, I've seen a fair few fights in my time, and most of them involve a lot of shouting, followed by pushing, usually followed by possibly one or two punches and then onto the wrestling match usually, where hair is being pulled, people are biting, headbutting and punching anything that isn't attached to their own bodies.

Ah yes, the Gentlemanly art

[Darkage]

**** speed and power shoot the ***** to death.

[Stealth]

yet you guys (particularly you Lonestar) are still forgetting that speed is useless if it's got no training.  go pick the average fast guy off the street, and punch him 10 times, and see how many of those punches (with no martial arts or fighting experience mind you) he blocks.  i'll bet he won't even block 2.

[Stealth]

Ive made people cry cause they couldnt hit me, only then did i realize the power of defense.

hehe. that's funny.  amazing how this board is so full of martial artists

and Lonestar... i never knew you were a martial artist.  c'mon, let's have some stats:  arts trained in, experience, etc.


EDIT:

the skinny fast guy might get 100 shots in before the slow strong guy

just because he's big does not mean he's slow.  you should know that, being a martial artist and all

[adwight]

I hate to say it, but a big huge buff guy with one punch would end the fight, but it take the little guy about 50.  Get my drift?

[Flipside]

Shotokan - Sensei was Mick Billman, 6th Dan, and some guy called Rick, who was 8th Dan, can't remember his surname now. Got to Brown and White belt, they have these wierd mini-stages between brown and black.

Wing-Chun - Studied with the Risen Arts foundation, my trainers included Spencer Devine, and old friend of mine, one day, I'll give him a call and see if he can send me one of his promo VCDs They never gave out any accolades, you just got as good as you got. Also did 2 8-hour training seminars with Master Sken, I had bruises for days

I guess I know enough to know that fights aren't like they look in the movies, and that you cannot dodge punches like Neo dodges bullets. Wing Chun has a technique called 'Sticky Hands' that allows you to continuously block opponents, for longer periods of time, the trick is timing your attack, it doesn't have to be a hard punch, it just has to be in the right place