[Fineus]

Speaking of bombers....


Big, ugly, deadly.

[Unknown Target]

The first jet was, I believe, the XP-59 Airacomet, by Bell. The Me262 was the first operational jet, however.

But they were all developed so closely together (time-wise), it's not really worth mentioning anything but the Me262 as the first operational jet.


Anyway, it's not a jet, but I am in love with this plane (also made by Bell):

[übermetroid]

Originally posted by neo_hermes


I rather like the Marine's New F-35B

Something I can actually comment on.

Ok, before I learned I was going to be a dad I spent 2 years in the Marines PLC program with an Air contract.  I was a friggen killing machine and as soon as I finish college (soon) I was going to be sent off to TBS and then flight school.  Too bad.  

The Marines currently use the Harrier, and plan on upgrading to the F-35B.  The F-35B does everything the Harrier does, but better.  It has virtical take of and landing, some stealth, and has enough fuel to last more then 30 mins in the air (when the straight up and down landing is in use).  The Marines like these planes because they can park them just about anywhere.  No need for a runway.

About the SU-27 (Right number?) is sick.  I have a video of it (on Janes ATF GOLD) doing a black flip.  Not a lazy black flip where you go up first but a keep-you-current-speed-and-keep-going-foward-black-flip.  Truely amazing.  It also does the flip-right-over-(180)-and-start-going-the-other-way-with-no-stall-trick.

Originally posted by Nico
US marine pilots are pussies, they need longer runways on their carriers to be able to land

VTOL - Vertical take off and landings.

The Marines use smaller Navy ships to haul them around.  (Well the Marine F-18 is used on the carriers...)  Look up the USS Wasp.

[Rictor]

You call that a knife? THIS is a KNIFE:

[Nico]

Originally posted by ubermetroid

VTOL - Vertical take off and landings.

The Marines use smaller Navy ships to haul them around.  (Well the Marine F-18 is used on the carriers...)  Look up the USS Wasp.

When piloting normal jets, obviously, I meant ( F/A18, F14, etc ).

Oh, and you can summarize your superlong explanation of the Su27 thing this way: it's called the Cobra, and the plane doesn't go at the same speed, it's basically meant to stop it very fast. There would ber little point otherwise. Note that Even tho the Su27 was the first plane able to perform the cobra, now, tehrs can too, like the F22, for exemple. It looks cool, but isn't terribly useful otherwise

[Unknown Target]

Originally posted by ubermetroid


About the SU-27 (Right number?) is sick.  I have a video of it (on Janes ATF GOLD) doing a black flip.  Not a lazy black flip where you go up first but a keep-you-current-speed-and-keep-going-foward-black-flip.  Truely amazing.  It also does the flip-right-over-(180)-and-start-going-the-other-way-with-no-stall-trick.

It's called the Kobra maneuver, and it's a real thriller at air shows. I've even seen a picture where one pilot did it only about 10 feet above the runway.

EDIT: Looks like Venom beat me to it

[übermetroid]

Originally posted by Nico
it's called the Cobra, and the plane doesn't go at the same speed, it's basically meant to stop it very fast. There would ber little point otherwise. Note that Even tho the Su27 was the first plane able to perform the cobra, now, tehrs can too, like the F22, for exemple. It looks cool, but isn't terribly useful otherwise

The F22 can?  Hum...  Learn something new every day.     Anyone got a video of a F22 doing the Cobra?

[Unknown Target]

Not that i know of, but I do know it has vectored thrust engines, so it could probably do it even better than the Su-27 can.

[Flaser]

...and probably the Su-37 can beat both.

Still, its no use when the F22 could take it down from a distance.

The only question is wheter the MIG-MFI capable of a long range punch as the Russians claim it to do. If so, then the F22 is no longer the king of the air.

[Fineus]

SU-37. Ownage in a can.

[Nico]

Originally posted by Unknown Target
Not that i know of, but I do know it has vectored thrust engines, so it could probably do it even better than the Su-27 can.

The F22 can do it only because of the vectored thrust, actually, the shape of the plane doesn't help it, and the Su-27 will probably do it better ( the center of gravity is more on the back, something like that ).
Technically, I suppose most planes can do it, tho not at the level opf the Su27 which keeps control all along the maneuver.

[Thorn]

****. How could I forget this one?
The CF-105

http://www.rcjets.com/arrow/apix.jpg
http://www.abbotsfordairshow.com/history/timeline/arrow-1997.jpg

"The Avro Arrow was a revolutionary jet interceptor, designed and built by the A.V. Roe Aircraft company of Canada. The Arrow was a plane of firsts, fly by wire, computer control, integral missile system and capable of MACH 2+."
http://www.avroarrow.org/

[Antares]

For shaaaaame, HLP folk.


 



The B-2 Stealth Bomber and the B-17 Flying Fortress: the airplanes God gave to Moses atop the mountain.

[Nico]

Originally posted by Flaser
...and probably the Su-37 can beat both.

Still, its no use when the F22 could take it down from a distance.

The only question is wheter the MIG-MFI capable of a long range punch as the Russians claim it to do. If so, then the F22 is no longer the king of the air.

Doesn't have much to do with the plane, it's the missile that counts.
And I ask you: what last generation plane DOESN'T have long range ability?

[SadisticSid]

How could I have forgotten this beauty? (Tu-160 strategic bomber)

[mikhael]

Sid, you mentioned a beauty, and then you seem to have linked in the wrong pics.

Originally posted by Nico


Doesn't have much to do with the plane, it's the missile that counts.
 

It doesn't have much to do with the LAUNCHING plane, its the TARGET plane that counts.

It really isn't about who can throw the rock farther, but who can dodge rocks better. Eventually, the person who dodges worse gets hit.

[Nico]

well, if the rock is efficient enough, it won't miss, no matter what's the target.

[mikhael]

There's no such thing as a missile that will never miss. If there were, either no one would ever fight a war again, or we'd all be dead.

[Rictor]

I think he meant in the context of aerial dogfights. Frankly, I don't see the point in building the latest and greatest air superiority jets, its not like its going to come to war with Russia or France...

[pyro-manic]

Mkay, Aspa beat me to it with the D.H. Vampire (I love it!!!), and the Tupolev 160 is awesome as well. My other favourites are all british bombers:
The TSR.2 strike bomber (cancelled in the prototype stage), 'cos it looks awesome:

The Handley Page Victor (one of the "V-force" of british nuclear bombers), cos it's weird:

The Avro Vulcan (another of the "V-force, and the daddy of the RAF nuclear force), because it's ****ing huge, delta winged and noisy :