Originally posted by Rictor
True, you could call them homocide-bombers if you like, as FOX does, but it just doesn't imply the same level of fanaticism as "suicide-bomber", which is the reason why most people fear the crazed Muslim hordes etc etc.
Huh. I hadn't looked at it that way. To me, "suicide bomber" has the usual fanatical connotations, what with suicide being so drastic and all, whereas "homicide bomber", while lacking a certain "ring" to it, is more accurate in a way. Sort of: Suicide Bomber: "Woohoo, I strapped a bomb to myself and blew my head off in the middle of nowhere!" Homicide Bomber: "Woohoo, I strapped a bomb to myself and blew my head - and a few other heads as well - off in the middle of a pizza parlor!"
Originally posted by Gank
Lets put this in perspective for you, if when you invaded Jenin you had occupied a house of a family with four young kids and held them there at gunpoint would you not be using them as huuman shields? theres no logical reason for keeping them there, they clearly dont pose a threat and obviouusly wanted to get the **** away as fast as they could.
Do you believe I'm lying to you when I say that Israeli soldiers do not use human shields? Because we don't, and I'm not.
Israeli soldiers have - on a personal, human being to human being level, not as some IDF-sponsored "look good" campaign - many times left behind money in attempts to compensate Palestinian households for any damages, for the ordeals they have been put through just by having armed soldiers in their houses, etc.
Or you can look at it this way. While it may be up for debate whether the Palestinians have actively used their own women and children as human shields against Israeli soldiers, you cannot deny that they seem to have little to no cumpunctions about allowing the women and children to be present in cross-fire. Therefore, how stupid would I have to be to "trust" that they would not simply risk harming one of their own to get at me?
Originally posted by Gank
no dying for their cause means they died trying to further their aims. If theres any percieved nobleness about it its in your mind, not mine. Martyred would be the proper word for the first meaning you've listed.
Ok, I can see how you understand it to mean that. Kinda stretching IMO, but that's your perogative. So, by your definition, suicide bombers are most definitely not martyrs, correct?