[karajorma]

Originally posted by an0n
And as any scientist knows, it's right till someone proves it wrong.

Incorrect. Otherwise I'm right when I say that the Big Bang was started by a giant salsa dancing mongoose.

[Flipside]

Damn, you spoilt all the scientists fun now

[vyper]

No one can disprove you, therefore you are as right as someone who say God created the universe.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by vyper
No one can disprove you, therefore you are as right as someone who say God created the universe.

*Rushes off to form a salsa dancing rodent cult*

[Flipside]

ROFL I'd like 120 Mongoose Heads, 3 Tito Puente albums and a LOT of beer please

[Ghostavo]

karajorma you are terribly mistaken... the big bang was the result of the cross-breeding between a shivan and a potato.

[Flipside]

That possibly explains a very great deal about our universe

[an0n]

Bye-bye thread.

[Gank]

Originally posted by Sandwich
Do you believe I'm lying to you when I say that Israeli soldiers do not use human shields? Because we don't, and I'm not.

Ah well, thats that then, because being an Israeli you'd tell me if they did I tend to believe my eyes more than my ears and what I saw on tv looked like civvies being held against their will in an area of conflict.

Originally posted by Sandwich
Israeli soldiers have - on a personal, human being to human being level, not as some IDF-sponsored "look good" campaign - many times left behind money in attempts to compensate Palestinian households for any damages, for the ordeals they have been put through just by having armed soldiers in their houses, etc.

****s sake man you dont honestly expect me to believe that? Maybe a handful but as a whole the IDF is an undisciplined rabble. US Marine col in the lebs words iirc.
http://www.btselem.org/

Originally posted by Sandwich
Or you can look at it this way. While it may be up for debate whether the Palestinians have actively used their own women and children as human shields against Israeli soldiers, you cannot deny that they seem to have little to no cumpunctions about allowing the women and children to be present in cross-fire. Therefore, how stupid would I have to be to "trust" that they would not simply risk harming one of their own to get at me?

Maybe this is because you're attacking the places where their women and children live? When you fight in populated areas the attacker is the one putting civvies at risk, not the defender. Or do you expect them to line up on the road for you and wait to be bombed:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Sandwich
Ok, I can see how you understand it to mean that. Kinda stretching IMO, but that's your perogative. So, by your definition, suicide bombers are most definitely not martyrs, correct?

Give it a rest, I'm not going to debate semantics.

[Gank]

Originally posted by an0n
The more astute among you may note that I've not been proven wrong in this thread.

Applauds.

[Turambar]

*gets ready*

[Turambar]

Originally posted by Sandwich
Yes, I do think that Muslims (unwittingly, most likely) worship Satan. That's my opinion, which I hold because of Islam, not because of their opposing Israel.
 

You need some serious correction here Sandy.  The Muslims, The Christians, and the Jews all worship the same single diety a.k.a. God/Allah/Whatever it is that Jewish persons call God.  In fact, Muslims and Jews have quite a bit in common
-no pork
-no "Jesus is the son of god"
-bent noses
-the volumous semitic hairstyle a.k.a. JewFro
-similar languages shalom/salaam
-both greet each other by sayng "peace" in some form
-and theres more.

See, I live in the Lower Merion township in the Main Line outside of Philadelphia, which i think is actually the second largest concentration of Jews in the world, the first being "Israel".  more than 50% of my school is Jewish, and me and my Jewish friends have come to the conslusion that it would make a lot more sense if the Muslims and Jews banded together and were angry at the Christians ("You supply the cash, we'll supply the Jihad!").

Anyway.  If the Muslims worship Satan, Sandwich, than so do you.

[Bobboau]

Gank, from what you have described of the imagaes you saw of the Israelis holding the Palistinians, sounds more like they were probly takeing controle of the house to search it or something than holding them as human shields.

[mikhael]

I don't think I've ever seen my respect for someone plummet from so high, down so far, so fast ever in all my life.

Somehow, I guess its better that I've got a job now. I'm just saddened.

[Corsair]

Turambar: What you're seeing from Sandwich is an opinion from someone who's been on the front line of battle a number of times. He's thinking that way because it's what he's observed personally. You and I just hear stories from the media. Maybe you have some personal friends in Israel who tell you things. I do, but they're mostly on the Left.

However, I do agree with you on a number of points, including that the cultures of Judaism and Islam are fairly similar. You can look at it as brother fighting brother. There's still a deep rift between the two that won't heal quickly though. What it really needs is time, time for trust to be built between the two peoples.

[Rictor]

Turambar, I applaud you sir. JewFro :D

My coop supervisor while I was still doing coop  who's got an encyclopedic knowledge of history, brought up this same point. Jews and Arabs were the best of friends (mostly), until the Christians came along and messed it up. The racial/cultural similarities are quite deep.

Even according religious texts, the Arabs and Jews are both descended from Abraham, the two ethnic groups each being descendents of one of Abraham's sons.

oh, and you forget the ol' snip snip "down there", thats another similarity. Thank God (Yahaweh is the Jewish God, though you're not really supposed to speak his name) my parents were pretty secular and not into the whole Orthodox crap.

[Reez]

yes. the "snip snip" is interesting. Hard to make a good impression in the sack when you've had half of it cut off.

[Sandwich]

Originally posted by Gank

Ah well, thats that then, because being an Israeli you'd tell me if they did I tend to believe my eyes more than my ears and what I saw on tv looked like civvies being held against their will in an area of conflict.

Given that the stated purpose of this whole Operation Rainbow mess is to weed out militants and uncover the smuggling tunnel networks, does it seem reasonable that those soldiers were, as Bob said, in the process of searching the house? Most tunnel exits aren't in the open, after all.

Originally posted by Gank
****s sake man you dont honestly expect me to believe that? Maybe a handful but as a whole the IDF is an undisciplined rabble. US Marine col in the lebs words iirc.
http://www.btselem.org/

I never said the IDF as a whole did that, did I? As a matter of fact, I specifically said it wasn't an IDF-sponsored thing, didn't I?

Originally posted by Gank
Maybe this is because you're attacking the places where their women and children live? When you fight in populated areas the attacker is the one putting civvies at risk, not the defender. Or do you expect them to line up on the road for you and wait to be bombed:rolleyes:

I don't expect them to march en masse into the immediate area of a gun battle between "militants" and army forces, either. Call it mob stupidity, but it happened, and that's part of the reason why those people were needlessly killed and injured.

I mean, geez! How ignorant can the world be? If there's an intense gun battle going on somewhere, and a crowd of civvies comes marching through the area, is it then the combatants' fault that those civvies were killed? Yeah, of course it's still "unfortunate" and "regrettable" - it's a damn freaking shame if you ask me - but if you play with fire you're gonna get burnt.

Originally posted by Gank
Give it a rest, I'm not going to debate semantics.

Yays! I win!

Originally posted by Turambar
You need some serious correction here Sandy.  The Muslims, The Christians, and the Jews all worship the same single diety a.k.a. God/Allah/Whatever it is that Jewish persons call God.  In fact, Muslims and Jews have quite a bit in common
-no pork
-no "Jesus is the son of god"
-bent noses
-the volumous semitic hairstyle a.k.a. JewFro
-similar languages shalom/salaam
-both greet each other by sayng "peace" in some form
-and theres more.
...

Anyway.  If the Muslims worship Satan, Sandwich, than so do you.

Your "logic" is pretty messed up there, dude. Just because two people groups have lots of things in common doesn't mean that they worship the same god. We've already been over this issue here on HLP - apparently you missed it - but there's no escaping the fact that the 3 religions are NOT worshipping the same god. Compare what's written in the Koran and on the Dome of the Rock with Christianity's Jesus being the Son of God. "Allah has no son", etc etc.

"Bent noses" - You're sounding like a Nazi depicting how you can tell apart Jews from the rest of the world (note that I'm not calling you a Nazi, please). Firstly, that assumption is wrong - "Jewish" noses cover the whole spectrum, just like the noses of the rest of the population of the world.

"JewFro" - cute. But watch TV next time there's a suicide bombing or they show Israeli public - there's no basis for that statement.

And those lingual comparisons, while true, mean absolutely nothing. That's like saying that the Brazillians and Spanish must worship the same god.

Originally posted by mikhael
I don't think I've ever seen my respect for someone plummet from so high, down so far, so fast ever in all my life.

Referring to me, Mik? I'm sorry if that's so.

[Reez]

The problem with your Brazil and Spanish comparison is that Brazil was a Portugese colony, which is right next to Spain. So Spanish and Portugese are big langauges there. And remarkably, they sound similar to the untrained ear. Kinda like Chinese and Japanese.

On the other hand, the Muslims and Jewish people lived together for quite a long while as a community. And one thing you can say about Muslims is even though we've had our history of pillaging and razing hell (like everyone else), we've never burned down either Christian or Jewish churches (or any building of worship for that matter). Because we've had respect for other religions throughout our history.

You can't say the same about the Catholics and the priests. "You heathen! Jesus is the son of God! And little 8 year old Jimmy is my *****!"

By the way, nice comments on the suicide bombings. Also, nice neglect on the curfews and the house arrests that involve Palestineans getting shot if they're coming home late for work or the house arrests that involve Palestineans getting shot when they try to leave the house in search of water.

And when you fight in populated areas, civvies get shot and killed. That's why people fight in populated areas. It's called raping and pillaging.

You need to stop watching FOX news. It's caused your mind to go into an advanced state of decay.

Also, check your history. Many of the original Muslims under Prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him) actually sought and were granted sanctuary by Christians, mainly on the similarites of religion (Jesus is not the son of God, but a Prophet, only One God, the 10 Commandments, etc etc). Otherwise, the Hindus would've gotten the chance to slaughter the mass of em. Yay! Go Christians! w00t. with the 00s, cuz I'm hip. Anyways.

[vyper]

I still find irony that the jews are persecuting a group of people off their homeland...