[Splinter]

Originally posted by ionia23


Seriously?  tell more please.  I'm not mocking, I swear.

AAAAAAAAH lol cant tell .... sarcastic? not? AAAAAAAAAH

what more is there to tell?

there hasnt been a sucide bombing in like... months... not that they havnt tried but they have all been stopped or blown up at check points where army is present.

the last terrorist attack was with rockets that in the decade they have been lobbinb them finally hit somthing... unfortunatly it was a kindergarten and kiulled a child and seriously wounded a pregenant mother. therefore the army went in... again looking for the missles and thier launchers and gun battles ensued people died yadda yadda the whole mess continues the only diffrence is now the risk to civilians is so much less then it was and they havnt even finished the barrier/wall/fence that people are starting to breathe easeir (at least those who dont have family in the army)

I suspect this conflict will continue for a long time but in a number of months all suicide bombing attempts have been stoped or blown up prematurly. Im sure they will still manage to slip some guys through after all a barier is man made and therefore has weaknesses but even the amount of bombing attempts has dropped by more then 75% since the terrorist leader were "targeted"

most things cannot and should not be resolved with violence... however when all else fails... build a wall

And if you were being sarcastic... well who cares? at least somone might read this for serious

[Bobboau]

ummm... how deep does the wall go?

[Sandwich]

Tunnels, eh? I don't know.

[Bobboau]

yeah, well I wouldn't worry about it too much, I mean it's not like there known for digging tunnels or anything.........

[an0n]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't God be protecting his chosen people?

[Bobboau]

he is, by way of the AH-64

[Zeronet]

I just wish they'd of built it in their own territory, instead of criscrossing over bits of the pally land.

[Bobboau]

well the thinking goes something like this
A) there atacking us
B) we have all the power
c) we can do it and suffer no repecusions
so why not error on there side of the line

[ionia23]

Originally posted by an0n
Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't God be protecting his chosen people?

IMHO, God's done his work.  Whatever we do with the lives and skills we have is our own problem now.

[Rictor]

What the wall very likely is, is a boundry line. Israel knows damn well that they can't keep this up forever, nor can they just wipe out the Palestinians. So, they know that a Palestinian state will at some point be created. This just pre-empts the whole thing, and established a "border of convenience" as in: "hey, since we have this handy dandy wall here, why not just call that the boundry line". Thats why it cuts into Palestinian land.

The other reason is to carve up the land in such a way as to isolate settlements form one another. Divided they fall. Already, several settlements are completely isolated from thier crops, their schools, their places of work, which as you might imagine, makes life a tab bit difficullt for the Palestinians.

[mitac]

Originally posted by Bobboau
well the thinking goes something like this
A) there atacking us
B) we have all the power
c) we can do it and suffer no repecusions

Well, in fact there have been repercussions in the past, for example concerning the attack on that iraqi nuclear reactor site in the 80's (it was called a "preventive strike" - deja-vu, anyone?). In this case, even the US didn't veto the UNSC resolution against Israel.

But it's one thing with receiving a letter and another with opening it and paying the bill. That the first part happens does not ensure the second won't be skipped to the wastebasket.

[Splinter]

Originally posted by Bobboau
well the thinking goes something like this
A) there atacking us
B) we have all the power
c) we can do it and suffer no repecusions
so why not error on there side of the line

depends what you mean by B... that we have all the power in military fashion? or all the power to stop or continue this conflict? or the power to end the world? I mean thats a pretty vague comment.

C is just plain not true... we suffered the reprecusions before we did it. Basically it cant exactly get worse then it was. unless they start acquiring major offensive weapons.

[Splinter]

Originally posted by Rictor
What the wall very likely is, is a boundary line. Israel knows damn well that they can't keep this up forever, nor can they just wipe out the Palestinians. So, they know that a Palestinian state will at some point be created. This just pre-empts the whole thing, and established a "border of convenience" as in: "hey, since we have this handy dandy wall here, why not just call that the boundry line". Thats why it cuts into Palestinian land.

The other reason is to carve up the land in such a way as to isolate settlements form one another. Divided they fall. Already, several settlements are completely isolated from thier crops, their schools, their places of work, which as you might imagine, makes life a tab bit difficullt for the Palestinians.

Yeah I’m pretty sure that they gave up the right to "happy go lucky lives" when they started bombing someone instead of trying to sort it out the nice way without dead bodies. Actually you will probably say that they did in fact try and sort it out the easy way on paper telling us basically you go screw yourselves give us everything that is yours now that you have fought and won in 5 wars give us all that and we will let you live in peace on your own land.

Sure there is Joe and Jane Palestinian who just want peace and never wanted any of this conflict to start but they should be complaining to the B****rd terrorists making life miserable for both sides.

Life for them doesn’t have to be that way. If what they wanted was to simply live in peace they could do that easily... if all they wanted was their own state they would all be in Jordan. Unfortunately the "voice" of the Palestinians in this conflict is the terrorist organizations who want neither of these. And unfortunately for peace seeking Palestinians this casts a bad light on all of them. They were given ample chances to police their own... we even equipped and trained them... but they did f*** all to stop the terrorists they proved themselves unworthy or incapable of governing themselves and until they do I’m afraid someone else is going to have to police theme cause there is no way in hell that a country can stand by and say "oh wow look there’s another terrorist bombing... this is number 239? Wow I hope they do something about it soon" gimmie a break! They missed their chance. If they want another they will have to earn it. If you ask what makes it Israel’s responsibility? It’s when Israel’s civilians started paying with their own lives for the ineptness of the Palestinian authority to govern its own people.

[Bobboau]

clarification on point B) I meant military power, if you wanted to you could kill every last one of them, they on the other hand do not poses such an ability

[Sandwich]

Originally posted by an0n
Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't God be protecting his chosen people?

Look at Israel's history since 1944. Out of the literal ashes of the piles of burnt bodies in the Holocaust, we formed a nation that was attacked the very day it was formed, by multiple enemies on all sides. We fought them off and won. In every war since then, Israel has - against all odds (and this includes military odds) - not only fought off her attackers, but gained territory by pushing the battles out into enemy land.

There are numerous stories of literal miracles during the heat of battle. One that comes to mind is the Israeli tank unit - no more than 10 tanks IIRC - that was told to hold a certain hill from the approaching Egyptian tank corps, which had them vastly outnumbered. As the Egyptian forces approached, all of a sudden they halted, abandoned their tanks and gave themselves up. When they were asked to explain their actions, they said to the Israelis, "You couldn't fool us! We saw the hundreds of glowing tanks you had behind that hill, waiting to ambush us!"

Israel, FYI, does not have any light-emitting tanks.

We are a drop of 6 million Jews in an ocean of mostly hostile Arab Muslims, surrounded by them on every side. Yet we're still here.

I'd say God's done a pretty amazing job protecting His people - we didn't always have the 4th most powerful military in the world.

[Ghostavo]

Originally posted by Sandwich
(...)Israel has - against all odds (and this includes military odds)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab-Israeli_war

EDIT:
I saw this on TV earlier but they showed a concrete barrier instead of er... barbed (sp?) wire... did they film the wrong stuff ( ) or does it alternate?

[Bobboau]

Originally posted by Rictor
...
The other reason is to carve up the land in such a way as to isolate settlements form one another. Divided they fall. Already, several settlements are completely isolated from thier crops, their schools, their places of work, which as you might imagine, makes life a tab bit difficullt for the Palestinians.

origonaly posted by the Wikipedia
First phase: November 29, 1947 - April 1, 1948
Right after the UN partition plan was approved, heavy fighting broke out in Palestine. The British Army frequently intervened, but as the end of British involvement in Palestine drew nearer and attacks on them by Irgun and Lehi increased, their intervention grew steadily more inconsistent and reluctant.

The Arabs concentrated their efforts on cutting off roads to Jewish towns and Jewish neighborhoods in areas with mixed populations. At the end of March, the Arabs completely cut off the vital road going from Tel-Aviv to Jerusalem where one sixth of Palestine's Jews lived.

heh, Karma's a ***** ain't it

[Splinter]

Originally posted by Ghostavo




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab-Israeli_war

EDIT:
I saw this on TV earlier but they showed a concrete barrier instead of er... barbed (sp?) wire... did they film the wrong stuff ( ) or does it alternate?

The media knows that people wont care so much about a friggen fence but when they see this vast wall they are appalled... TV stations get ratings by bringing out more emotion in people plain and simple the wall is part of the barrier as said before but a very small part. They choose to film that small part because it will evoke emotions. Stupid media

[Flipside]

Well, Suppose you could try compromise, remove part of the wall, and if any terrorist activities take place, you would all be perfectly justified in putting back up, though media wouldn't be able to taint your reputation? I know it put's peoples lives at risk, but then, to get peace, you have to take those risks sometimes

[Turnsky]

Originally posted by Sandwich


Look at Israel's history since 1944. Out of the literal ashes of the piles of burnt bodies in the Holocaust, we formed a nation that was attacked the very day it was formed, by multiple enemies on all sides. We fought them off and won. In every war since then, Israel has - against all odds (and this includes military odds) - not only fought off her attackers, but gained territory by pushing the battles out into enemy land.

There are numerous stories of literal miracles during the heat of battle. One that comes to mind is the Israeli tank unit - no more than 10 tanks IIRC - that was told to hold a certain hill from the approaching Egyptian tank corps, which had them vastly outnumbered. As the Egyptian forces approached, all of a sudden they halted, abandoned their tanks and gave themselves up. When they were asked to explain their actions, they said to the Israelis, "You couldn't fool us! We saw the hundreds of glowing tanks you had behind that hill, waiting to ambush us!"

Israel, FYI, does not have any light-emitting tanks.

We are a drop of 6 million Jews in an ocean of mostly hostile Arab Muslims, surrounded by them on every side. Yet we're still here.

I'd say God's done a pretty amazing job protecting His people - we didn't always have the 4th most powerful military in the world.

considering what Israel's had to deal with in the past, you're doing a good job so far.