Originally posted by Splinter
Does the US have claims to its land?
How many countries current borders been founded on wars conquering land etc? Pretty much all of them and yet when we do it suddenly its a crime? Wtf dude quite being a hypocrite!
Explain exactly how that land isn’t ours... really? They live on it so it’s not our land? I live in this part of Jerusalem so it belongs to America because I’m American.
Because the UN Charter which Israel has signed specifically prohibits the colonisation of land taken in war, whether it was defensive war or not. Stop being such a hypocrite yourself, if Arabs had captured Israeli soil you'd be shouting they have no right to it.
Originally posted by Splinter
A settler in the Gaza Strip moved there before many, many years when it was all sand dunes and the seashore. The Arabs around called them crazy and asked her what she planned to do in this cursed place? She said farm. They said you are crazy no one has grown anything here since the time of Abraham and Isaac. She replied simply "we will see" soon afterwards more and more Zionists arrived turning the desert into thriving farmlands and the Arabs of the region blessed them and said you provide us jobs we love you! They started moving into the strip by the thousands and all was good... now lets see... whose land is that? Ok lets see it became Arab land and not part of Israel at its creation because of changes made to the original plan to give the Jews all of current day Israel including west bank etc and Jordan but because of the tremendous populace of Arabs brought into that area because of the work provided by the pioneering Jews did not want to live in a Jewish nation the UN gave them two thirds of the original land (Jordan, the west bank) many left and many stayed. Some stayed because they had good lives good jobs. Others stayed in protest of the combination of not wanting to move but also not wanting to live under Jewish rule.
Trans-Jordan was seperated into a seperate state in the late 1930s, the mandate of palestine at the time of the proposed partition consisted only of the land west of the Jordan. You're talking utter ****e. Palestinians did not flee because they did not want to live under jewish rule, they were evicted because the jews did not want to live under arab rule, as arabs were in the majority in the land allocated to Israel under the UN plan, which was only 20% of the land it presently occupies. Legally, Jews owned 12% of the land they had at the end of the 1948 war, according to the jewish national fund.
Originally posted by Splinter
A couple wars later what happens? Israel takes the Gaza strip and the entire Sinai Peninsula within artillery range of Cairo the entire West Bank and the Golan heights. This being not the first time they were attacked and not being fools Israel gave the peninsula back which it had no need of but kept the Gaza strip West Bank and Golan Heights. Why? Strategic disadvantage. Israel did not have to give back squat but they did. Fine ok lets just ignore the fact that we are the reason the Arabs are in the gaze strip to begin with, how after fighting for it in a war we were forced into by them and after winning and giving back most of the land won to Egypt how exactly is that not now our land? Seriously? French people drove the English out of France and Scottish people drove the English out of Scotland and so on and so forth are you saying that France and Scotland should be given back to England? 
Again see above, you have signed charters binding you to abide by their rules, which put Israel under obligation to protect people whose land it occupies, not evict them and settle their land.
Originally posted by Splinter
Your views and who started the wars are very interesting speculation. Israel started 1 of the wars no more no less and as lame as it sounds it was still pretty much in self defense...
Ok, so it was the Lebanese who invaded Israel, and the egyptians started the suez canal war against the Israeli, British and French, who just happened to have numerous aircraft carriers in the area along with parachute divisions and marines offshore:rolleyes:
You can harp on with this ****e all you want, but the fact of the matter is the Yom Kippur war is the only one in which the arabs started the offensive and then it was an offensive to recapture land taken in the 1967 war. Even in 1948 the Arab nations didnt sent troops until after hostilities had started and massacres like the one at Deir Yassin had happened. For example Tiberias was occupied on April 19, 1948, Haifa on April 22, Jaffa on April 28, the Arab quarters in the New City of Jerusalem on April 30, Beisan on May 8, Safad on May 10 and Acre on May 14, 1948. Deir Yassin happened on April 9th, the British withdrew and the Arab countries declared war on May 15th.
Originally posted by Splinter
they had been attacked numerous times before barley surviving each war and this build up was a sign of another if they had waited they may have lost that one... MAY HAVE I’m not saying the preemptive strike was the right move but it was motivated by the will to survive not hatred or eradication.
Thats nice but Israeli leaders at the time disagree with you
"I do not believe that Nasser wanted war. The two divisions which he sent into Sinai on May 14 would not have been enough to unleash an offensive against Israel. He knew it and we knew it."
Yitzhak Rabin, Chief of Staff, Israeli Defence Forces
"In June l967, we again had a choice. The Egyptian Army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him."
Menachem Begin, Minister without Portfolio
"All those stories about the huge danger we were facing because of our small territorial size, an argument expounded once the war was over, had never been considered in our calculations prior to the unleashing of hostilities. While we proceeded towards the full mobilisation of our forces, no person in his right mind could believe that all this force was necessary to our defence against the Egyptian threat. To pretend that the Egyptian forces concentrated on our borders were capable of threatening Israel's existence does not only insult the intelligence of any person capable of analysing this kind of situation, but is primarily an insult to the Israeli army."
General Mattitiahu Peled, Chief Quartermaster-General's Branch, Israeli Defence Forces, General Staff
"The danger of Israel's extermination was hardly present before the Six-day war."
General Yeshayahu Gavish, Commanding General Southern Command
"We were not threatened with genocide on the eve of the six-day war, and we had never thought of such a possibility."
General Haim Barlev, Chief of General Staff Branch, Israeli Defence Forces
"The entire story of the danger of extermination was invented in every detail, and exaggerated a posteriori to justify the annexation of new Arab territory."
Mordechai Bentov, Minister of Housing
Kinda ****s all over what you're saying.
