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Offline karajorma

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Suggestion: If I may?

Look, the man stated he won't discuss it until he gets the license, if he gets it. He's already probably not interested in a public discussion after the last one.


Since then he has returned here to post though.

Got suggestion none the less.
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He's returned to post yes, but he said he doesn't want to discuss his PLANS for Freespace 3. In other words, what he intends to do with it.

Hence why I say wait, see, if he gets them, interview.

If he doesn't, nothing to worry about right?
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Steak gets my vote.
We need someone cold blooded for it.
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You know, I decided I would take Setekh's advice. I went, I slept on it. Then I got to thinking, what if he gets it and makes a game worthy of the Freespace name?

Now I know, everyone goes on the BC series as an example. But let's think about it. Battlecruiser was a massive, open ended game designed to be a simulation of running everything from a battlecruiser down to an infantry squad. That's a HUGE difference from Freespace where you're worried about your fighter/bomber, and the mission at hand.

Everyone bases it off of Derek's other games. But those games were completely different from the way one plays Freespace.

And he's already stated, numerous times, too numerous to count, that he's not planning on making a Freespace: Battlecruiser. He wants to make it like the original, an action space game. Not a simulation, not a massive open universe, Freespace as it's meant to be played.

But what of the graphics you shout? Well what of them? Universal Combat, Derek's latest incarnation, was actually not bad graphically. I play it. But he's stated over and over that the graphics had to suffer because of the scope and size of the game.

The interface was complex. Well yes it was bloody complex. But that's for running a warship down to the intricacies of crew management and systems control. Where in Freespace do you ever need to worry about more then you, your primaries, your secondaries, and the best target to blow the **** out of or save?


If Derek does get the license, he gets it. But I say let's see what he can make. Hey, if it doesn't measure up then it doesn't measure up. We go back to what the people of HLP had dedicated themselves to doing knowing Freespace 3 wasn't going to be made. We go back to making Freespace mods that kick all kinds of ass.

Freespace 3 flops, well fine. Most of us were carrying on like it was never to be anyway.

If it turns out it kicks ass...then we've gained a new chapter in the Freespace universe. Sure the story may not be by V, but what one of the HLP mod stories WAS? Does it matter? If it's a good story in the Freespace universe, won't we all love it anyway? If it's a bad story, we go on with our projects and make our own, like we always have.


Yes I know, Eishtmo posted something similar to what I've just said, but I wouldn't be HeX if I didn't spit out my thoughts. :)

Take them as they are or not. I leave that up to you. :)
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very Well said Hex :) :yes:
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He's using the UC engine and stuff, you know. He already said he's just recycling stuff he already had for most of it.

 

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And it's already been stated on his forums and elsewhere that when he made UC he had to keep the graphics on a lower level then the engine was capable because of the vast size of the game.
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I know nothing about UC's engine or about its strengths and weaknesses but isn't Freespace (3) deserving of its' very own engine?
Derek Smart is his own oxymoron.

 

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well I believe hex is correct, he will probrably make it fine, finger crossed, but we should be glad someone want to continue it. I just hope they make it really modable. if he makes it.

 

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That's it I'm getting the demo...
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Offline Gloriano

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He don't have licence..yet so
if he evergoing get licence

so why you guys arguin about FS3 yet ;)
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Well we see when the time comes,I'll just wish him all the best.
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Now we're talking. :)

Get the demo at least ladies and gentalmen! If it blows, hey it blows. Any developer could have made it and had it suck.

If it rocks your world, well then golly gee GRAB IT!

I mean hell, what have we got to loose? Freespace 3? Like Eishtmo said, we'd already resigned ourselves to it never being made.

If Derek Smart gets it, let's see what he can do! He says he's a fan, he has the resources...

Hell if he makes a dud at least we have a shiney new engine to play with! :D
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Offline Cabbie

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According the the people I talked to and the reviews about UC, the space combat part was the best part of the game so...

 

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I enjoyed it. Then again I also play Lock On Modern Air Combat and that requires nearly a piloting license just to take off. :D

I'll say one thing, the man has his scale down. I took a walk on the hull of my ship and was a speck compared with it.

Not that I'm expecting hull walking in Freespace but hey, being a fighter next to a massive warship could be fun.
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Thread closed until I finish sweeping it clean.

*glares*

That is all.
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Re-opened.
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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill

 

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Good, think I'll go delete that one post of my own. Too negative.
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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill

 

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You know what? I gave you people the benefit of the doubt for once. The biggest mistake I've made here, ever.

I hoped people could be mature. That when I got back from a night out I'd pop on here and make sure things were being talked out as they should be.

Instead I find this ****.

Clearly some of you are incapable of reading - or if you can read you think that we'll pretend not to pay any attention to you. That's your mistake. Fortunately for an0n, Sandwich has moderated this thread before I got to read it - so he doesn't get banned.

As for the rest of you who're involved, including you Nico, consider yourselves on "final warning". I've had enough of trying to keep things calm when all I get back to is this kind of thing. It makes me sad, it makes me angry. If I see any more of it it'll make one of you banned.

You've all had your chance to be treated like adults. My mistake was to trust some of you to do the right thing. This mistake will not be made again.