[Rictor]

now where have I heard that before?

when you become a famous conservative radio personality, don't forget about your buddies, ok? Its bad enough that Rush won't return my calls, don't you dare do it too.

[Ford Prefect]

You have to mail him pills to get his attention.

[01010]

DO NOT QUESTION THE KAZAN!

[Stealth]

Originally posted by Kazan
You're one to talk, you're as bad as rictor

i haven't said a word about any political candidate, etc. as you and Rictor have been.  all i said was if you don't like the country, get the **** out.

don't know how you could compare me to Rictor

[Grey Wolf]

Estimated time to thread lock: 5 hours.

If you want to avoid getting this thread locked, you have to do a few things:
1. Stop attacking each other.
2. Actually state something new. Repeating the same comments without backing is really quite annoying.

[ionia23]

If anything, this proves that the whole "assembly" thing is in no real danger of being outlawed.  People are still going at it full tilt.

That argument never got resolved, btw.

[Black Wolf]

See guys? When you think your life's ****ty, you can always lean back and think... "At least I don't live in America".

Well, not you guys. But all the rest of us are sorted.

[Rictor]

You know, I'de keep this up, but we can't very well have two Don Quixotes. Think of the confusion it will cause.

[Kazan]

yes.. because im further center than you Rictor that makes me "conservative" except for the fact that i am left of center most decidedly

[vyper]

So claims Tony Blair.

[Kazan]

excuse the **** out of me for being liberal and yet disagreeing with "free ride economics" -- the same way i disagree with "trickle-down"/supply-side economics

I'm all for giving a helping hand, but not a ****ing handout


being liberal is much more than economics - but everyone likes to boil down the conservative vs liberal differences to eocnomics when they're soo much more

[Zarax]

Kazan, you're taking the thing at the extremes...
European systems are market based economies with public "corrections" made to balance the free market excesses.
These are necessaries because free market alone cannot ensure equity (not to be misplaced with equalitarism).
This is actually taken from a translation of an US economics book, so the source is as unbiased as it gets (and i get the US advertisment here )...

[Kazan]

Zarax: i am fully away of what the European economies are, and that capitalism needs rules

However paying for someone elses healthcare (unless they absolutely need it in the short term) is not one of the things required to make sure capitalism stays "fair"

[Zarax]

Not everyone can afford it Kazan, and you don't want to face the consequences of lack of medical coverage...
Public healthcare and education are made to soften social disparities, and they are a good thing.
If you want to get private healthcare you can, but don't mess with social equity principles, not after all the fight there's been to obtain it...

[Kazan]

Zarax: you're not catching a subtly in my statements

A) no national healthcare because it's not a _SHORT_ _TERM_ thing -- helping someone for a short period is fine .. however people should _NOT_ be dependant on the system

Public education is a completely different story, and it _IS_ required for a functional electorate and society.  Public healthcare is not an equity issue -- it's a "i wanna handout".  

however healthcare in this country is overpriced

[Ford Prefect]

No matter how you slice it, America is immersed in a health care disaster, and the problems we face are the result of health care being left in the hands of the private sector. When there are people all over the country being forced to choose between eating and taking their medicine, I think that constitutes a major crisis.

[Kazan]

i agree - i just disagree that we should pay everyone's bills for them (note i said: everyones)

I think we need to do a little neck-breaking on the side of the people setting prices

[01010]

Personally I think healthcare is a basic human right and not a paid for privelidge.

[Grey Wolf]

Perhaps a hybrid would work. Not a goverment-run agency, and not private sector, but rather a large, nearly independent, nonpolitical body to regulate the industry.

[Kazan]

that is a possibility

01010: getting your healthcare paid for by other people isn't however