[Unknown Target]

Originally posted by Lt.Cannonfodder
we'd end up with something like the Clone Wars cartoon

*was waiting for cartoons to pass the >10 minutes mark*

[Martinus]

Originally posted by karajorma
TPM isn't a crap movie. It's just a crap Star Wars movie. Taken on it's own merits it's not that bad.

[color=66ff00]Hmmm, lets see.

Poor acting.
Uninspiring storyline.
2 dimensional characters.
Lots of gratuitous action sequences just for the sake of it.

My God! You're right! This would be a great Van Damme movie.
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[Unknown Target]

The thing is, if you really look at them, the original Star Wars moviess were pretty bad. I mean, take out those actors and you have a 2 Dimensional story with 2D characters. The actors made the film, and if you took EP2's actors and put them in the first films, you'd end up with a big-budget blow out, just like the prequels.

[Flipside]

The problem is that everyone in the new movies, to my mind, are constantly thinking 'Look Mom! I'm on Star Wars!'.

When the original actors were making the film, they were all unknowns who had everything to prove. They took it seriously, whereas there seems to be permanent smirks on half the faces in Ep1 & 2.

I will always take as an example, the final confrontation between Luke and Vader when compared to any Lightsabre battle in the modern movies. The Choreography is simple, scream and repeatedly use the Lightsabre as a club, and yet the pure passion of that entire scene, the lighting, the music, the fury on Luke's face has you gritting your teeth going 'YES! Kick his Arse Luke!'. The new ones have absolutely none of that emotional power.

[Col. Fishguts]

@UT:

That's the case with most good films. Good actors fill their characters with life.
No one says the plot of the original trilogy was very original story-wise. But the chemistry between the characters made the movies work and gave them the special charme, which is missing from the prequels so badly.

[Martinus]

[color=66ff00]Empire was a great movie. Jedi was mostly trash and a new hope wasn't too hot but it's good as a film that pushed the boundaries of special effects.
At the time it was pretty amazing.

Flip hit the nail right on the head, passionate acting has far more weight than ultra fast backflipping. If I want to see that I'll watch the first Matrix movie which did it in far more style.

Lucas keeps fobbing them off with the excuse that they're kids movies. For kids movies they have quite a body count.
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[Cyker]

Yeah, pretty much everyone thinks Empire is the best

I loved Jedi too 'tho - It has THE coolest space battle *ever*. And the Ewoks were funny

Some of the Babylon 5 battles have come close, but the ROTJ Battle of Endor part was just total arse kicking!

[TopAce]

Originally posted by Col. Fishguts


Food for thought: http://www.theforce.net/swtc/ssd5mile.html

and: http://www.theforce.net/swtc/ssd.html#ratio

Super-official site: http://www.starwars.com/databank/starship/superstardestroyer/?id=bts

Quote from the databank of www.starwars.com:
The size of a Super Star Destroyer has vacillated in numerous publications, starting with an eight-kilometer length in 1984's A Guide to the Star Wars Universe. The latest measurements peg the craft at about 12,800 meters. The miniature used for The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi was 282 centimeters long.

Sorry.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Maeglamor

[color=66ff00]Hmmm, lets see.

Poor acting.
Uninspiring storyline.
2 dimensional characters.
Lots of gratuitous action sequences just for the sake of it.

My God! You're right! This would be a great Van Damme movie.
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I didn't say it was the best movie ever made. I said it's not that bad. Everyone makes out as if TPM was the worst movie ever made. It's not. It's a basic sci-fi movie. No better or worse than most of the sci-fi movies that get released these days. Had SW never existed and TPM was the first film Lucas put out a lot more people would like it.

Of course if you factor in the fact that it's a Star Wars movie then it's utter ****e in comparison to the first 3.

[Col. Fishguts]

Originally posted by TopAce


Super-official site: http://www.starwars.com/databank/starship/superstardestroyer/?id=bts

Sorry.

I don't want to discuss the topic in-depth (that has been done to death on pretty much every SW fan board/forum). I'm just saying: Read the articles on SWTC, look at the movies yourself and then judge for yourself. But please don't take something as canon just because it's on starwars.com or (god forbid) in a WEG book.

[Liberator]

Okay, a question for you Warsies.

You guys keep refering to a film/book series that Lucas(who is a hack, BTW) has used and possibly is using as inspiration/source material.  Forgive my stupidity, but what is the name of said film/book series?

[karajorma]

The Hidden Fortress by Akira Kurosawa is the main film that it's basically ripped off of.

The film tells the story of two petty crooks (Think R2D2 and C3PO) who get caught up in the rescue of a princess.

Other sources were also ripped off somewhat. From what I hear the imperial stormtroopers were taken straight from Dune.

[Ford Prefect]

I thought the acting in the original Star Wars movies was terrible. Mark Hammil? Gimme a break. Star Wars was good because of the captivating story and the special effects. It's not deep, the characters are all stock, and it's totally formulaic.

[TopAce]

I had no problem with the acting in any Star Wars films.

[ionia23]

Here's something really interesting to note about Episodes I and II.

I went to see these opening night, like the other 80% of the population.

Adults who were adults when the first ones came out loved it.
Kids who weren't even born when the first ones got their first VHS release loved it.  I have fond memories of seeing a few 10 year old boys dressed up in Darth Maul outfits beating the crap out of each other with fake lightsabers.

Most everyone who was a kid when they saw the first 3 hated the new ones (I, on the other hand, think they stand up just fine against the original 3).

Go figure THAT.

It's Lucas' story and money.  He can present it however he wants without answering to anyone.  If you don't like them, don't see them.

As for 7-9, NEVER going to happen.  Ever.

[TopAce]

So will do Episode I, II, III, IV, V and VI. They won't happen, they are played in a different universe, so none of them will happen.

[jdjtcagle]

[BlackDove]

Originally posted by ionia23
It's Lucas' story and money.  He can present it however he wants without answering to anyone.  If you don't like them, don't see them.

Bull****. If he didn't care about what "others" think, and consequently how much money it makes him and his kids and his grandkids, he would keep the stuff in his basement.

[Mr Carrot]

Common you guys know that Lucas will do 3 films in cgi, the prequals practically are already!

More importantly did you see Lucas moaning about how much of a travesty it was to colourise old films, the ****ing twat wont even release the original trilogy in old fashioned non greedo shoots first mode. Messing with the past he moaned about, the twats redone all of his sodding films bar one!

[Ford Prefect]

u guyz r all h8trs!