[Rictor]

http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0914/dailyUpdate.html

[aldo_14]

You never saw this (news) before?

Twas on the bbc website last week IIRC.

[Stunaep]

My bet is, they'll ship some terrorists over to the baltic states in a couple of months or so, and the come with tanks to wipe them out, accidentally eradicating the entire goverment in the process.

Or something to that effect

[Janos]

**** DRAFT IN FINLAND

[Ghostavo]

Although disappointed by this, I loved his response to criticism though.

[Bobboau]

and you people complained about the patriot act...

[Clave]

The end justifies the means.

[vyper]

You better be taking the piss.

[Clave]

Security is more important than freedom.  

When people finally realise this, we will have less 9/11s, Bali nightclubs, and Beslans....

Wake up and smell the coffee.

There is only one way to combat terrorism, and that is to crack down as hard as possible.  The time has come to stop mincing around, pandering to the wishy-washy human rights liberals, and get tough.  Because the next time something gets blown up and hundreds die, everyone will be wringing thier hands and saying "Oh! how could this happen?" The balance is between freedom and security - you have to sacrifice some freedoms to get better security.

So.... 'the end justifies the means' well yes, I think so.  

You want to die?

I don't....

[vyper]

You're a coward. You would sacrifice your freedom and liberty so you don't have to take risks in life.

My grandfather did not fight his way across Africa in ww2 so someone like you could come along and say everything he fought for meant nothing.  Nor did any other men who did.

[q]When people finally realise this, we will have less 9/11s, Bali nightclubs, and Beslans....[/q]

No, when you realize US Foreign Policy pissed so many people off for the last 40 years, and change it, THEN you'll have less bombings et al.

[aldo_14]

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

[Clave]

Whoever said that was living in la-la land....

[vyper]

He's winding us up. Either that or he's a retard.

[Clave]

Listen..  How should I know who said that?  If you throw some random, unattributed quote at me, what do you expect?

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Clave
Listen..  How should I know who said that?  If you throw some random, unattributed quote at me, what do you expect?

The source of the quote does not matter, it's the content.

If you must know, it's attributed to Benjamin Franklin.

[Clave]

Very fine and noble I'm sure....

So, let me get this right:  You are prepared to let another 9/11 happen to protect your freedom?

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Clave
Very fine and noble I'm sure....

So, let me get this right:  You are prepared to let another 9/11 happen to protect your freedom?

Yes, absolutely and without any doubt.

[Clave]

But, surely putting lives at risk for an abstract concept such as freedom is indicative of worse government than trying to protect citizens from terrorists?

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Clave
But, surely putting lives at risk for an abstract concept such as freedom is indicative of worse government than trying to protect citizens from terrorists?

The thing is that once you've given up your freedoms you'll very soon end up living in a totalitarian state.

Don't believe it can happen? Look at Mccarthyism as a rather light example of what can happen. Can you imagine how much further that could have gone? The only thing that stopped it was the very freedoms you'd suggest giving up.

What you propose would give us a second era of Mccarthyism except with the word communist replaced with terrorist.

[Clave]

So, everything is just fine the way it is then?

No need to make any changes?