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Offline KARMA

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well IIRC from the episode with the "emotive" borgs of TNG (with data's brother commanding those borgs) you can see an excelsior at close distance to the ent-d and the galaxy seemed even bigger than in this chart

 
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Thats the joy of old skool composite effects. Size ratio's are executed based on the compositor's judgement. Didn't the Defiant have like 3 different sizes throughout all the Trek spinoffs? FirstContact had the smallest incarnation. And the Excelsior, if the size is correct, then the windows on that thing must be the size of a human head.

Oh well. We CG folk now have to suffer.

 

Offline NGTM-1R

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If you're curious about starship sizes and how they compare in different series...and this chart includes a Sathanas at the 10x magnification (1 pixel equals 10 meters), too...

http://www.merzo.net/index.html

The Sath would eat just about anything from either ST or SW alive.
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but bab5 ships would decimate it, or the super star destroyer, anyway i always knew trek ships were tiny, a fenris is probly bigger than the galaxy class.

 

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Offline Janos

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FS2 ships are generally ridiculously powerful and also very big when compared to other space sagas.
lol wtf

 

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If you ask me they make more sense than Star Trek's minis or the giants of Star Wars...
« Last Edit: November 09, 2004, 09:25:48 am by 2265 »
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I know I should have mentioned this a LONG time ago...

  BUT...  Is there a way you can make the Registration area a seperate texture so it's coordinates are maintained yet you can SWAP out registrations as needed? (so far I tried the chage texture command but I think I screwed up or it failed, I DID get change model to work!) However having 12 Connie models is not feasible!!!

  Still I don't relish the though of having like 3 Connies show up in a battle and they all have 1701a on them! (he he wouldn't Tiberius crap a brick though as the ISS Ent gets outnumbered by two more Kirks?) :lol:  This is sounding more and more like a bad fanfiction, maybe I'll use it!

  Hmm if I may be so bold how about this one? Use photoshop to make the textures same as Connie's color, as the bright white doesn't do it justice. It is 2880 vertices, I don't know how many polies but also a "low poly" (to us) A KA model by Kt'Hyla. For KA's limitations this guy does some amazing sh*t! If you could make glowmaps for the windows then this thing would rock!

What do you think?



I can understand you're having trouble making missions or a storyline. Translating to FS2 from a Cap's POV is gonna be, interesting to say the least!

I'm lucky that I approached this from the fighter's POV and spent all this time tracking down fighters of the different Trek races. Now I have to do research into Nova Squad and then figure out WHY you end up in the conflicts and situations you find yourself in, as well as why these races fight you (plus how you may end up involved with section 31)... I have about 1/4 of the models I think I need though.
Remember how you participated in the Vasudan pilot exchange program? I was thinking of doing something similiar but with the Klingons or the Romulans even... ;7

I don't know SQUAT about the Excelsior (aside that a strategically placed wrench and some selected iso-chips make it a moot threat, he he)... So do the one that looks the BEST. I would guess that would be the ENT-B version, yes?

AS for Trek ship sizes, I think they are a little small chart wise, but I can live with that. However in the FS2 engine I cannot! By making them conform to exact book figures in game you lose the feel of being immersed in the Trek universe IMHO. If I am in a runabout, or the Delta Flyer, or a Peregrine I want to feel tiny and vulnerable.  I have a Space Dock Transport Shuttle and want to recreate the STMP intro scene where Scotty took Kirk to ENT-A and fly those waypoints! BC models do make people's mouths drop, but also give them a sense of presence.  Like, "That's a big ship!"..."Not so big as her captain!"


Yes one of the BIGGEST offenders IS the Defiant. I take a type 4 Janeway shuttle out for a spin (which is smaller than a Defiant's Runabout) and it won't even fit through the Defiant's shuttle bay hatch underneath!!!) That's just rediculous!. Keep in mind the Defiant HAS 15 decks! It is by no means a "Little Ship" (looks for any enraged Klingons) :nervous:

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Offline NGTM-1R

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If you consider the size of the Sathanas' main beams, and the fact that shields have no effect on them, the SSD will be toasted. One shot from a BFRed would vaporize the command tower. Because of its thin hull profile you could probably punch holes straight through near the broadside gun bays and vent most of the ship to space fairly quickly.

The B5 ships also surrender the size advantage to it; the Sath is nearly as big as Babylon 5 itself.  The main weapon off a Minbari Sharlin War-Cruiser is probably about the size of one of the Sathanas' AAA beams. The main gun of a Shadow Dreadnought doesn't seem to be much bigger then one of the Sath's BFReds.

The only warship in there that really looks big enough to take on the Sathanas and live to tell about it is the Borg Cube.
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Offline Axem

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Originally posted by Getter Robo G
Keep in mind the Defiant HAS 15 decks!


I thought it only had 4 decks. Voyager on the other hand did have 15...


Omni: A fine fine ship. Can't wait for this one and the Excelsior. :) Those two ships rocked the TMP casbah. :D

 

Offline Col. Fishguts

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Please don't start a "X vs. Y" debate....it never leads to something good.
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The only warship in there that really looks big enough to take on the Sathanas and live to tell about it is the Borg Cube.



I thing the StarWars SSD trumps the lot @ 8 Orions long. Or so I was told.:)

 

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Originally posted by Kuruma

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vorlon planet killer would whoop the sath anyday, its huge compared to it and the weapons would incenerate it in one shot.

 

Offline Getter Robo G

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Youre right! It was like Voyager with 15, The Defiant has officially 4 but peope argue it has 5 (The MSD diagram is a little confusing) Plus it shows a suttle in the belly bay so taht's what I will use for the resizing. Scale of evey ship will be compared to teh fighters and shuttles on up. Once defiant is sized right multiply the difference between the book number and teh actual FS2 number and bingo you got teh correct IN GMAE size needed for all Trek ships! Voila I am a semi-genius! (or at least I have my moments)...

As for the SSD I think broadside is NOT as effective as if the Sath blasted it from TOP or BELOW!!! Now that would be some serious penetration! (isn't it thinner up and down than side to side?).
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sath about 6-7 km long


vorlon planet killer 45 km long

guess which wins :)
« Last Edit: November 11, 2004, 06:16:41 pm by 2094 »

 

Offline Getter Robo G

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It's not the size that counts...

Can't a VPK decimate a planet with one shot (ala deathstar?)

Unless the Sath can disable the VPK's main weapon OR kill it before it gets into firing range the Sath is TOAST!

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Offline Roanoke

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that Planet killing weapon seems out of charicter to me, not somethin' Vorlons would need.

 

Offline MetalDestroyer

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Originally posted by Kuruma



For those who are curious.... :D


You forgot the Super Star Destroyer class Vengeance :D
Whom of the Colossus and the SSD is the biggest starship ?