[pecenipicek]

disgusting...

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Swamp_Thing


Yeah, but that´s not what i meant. You and me we were poo too, once. As every one else in this god forsaken planet...
What i meant is this:
*pictorial image*
A crewman passes some gas in his quarters, the guy next to him complains and tells him to go take a crap. So the crewman goes to the bathroom, and dumps 2 kilos of poo down the shute.
Meanwhile, in a level below the bathroom, there´s a guy with a plastic bag and a gas mask, waiting with the bag open to catch the falling lump of poo. Then he takes it, places it in a machine called poo converter.
Two hours later, the crewman´s friend feels hungry and heads to the messhall to lunch. He gets the french fries and hamburgers. He is also given a little package that says on the bottom in a little label "fresh poo converted ketchup: place it on top of your french fries".
Bon apetit!

It's not that much worse than McDonalds, then.  They have **** (literally) in the burgers.

[pecenipicek]

sad but true... but you dont get poo in the ketchup.
you get it only in the actuall meat...

[Flaser]

You can't recycle waste in that matter too long. You body actually takes chemical energy out of the stuff, so even with recycling you'll have to revert to synthesis after a while.

...though I don't believe in trekkie replicators and their convenient magic.

Astronauts fed recycled/synthesised food will probably get contant jokes about babyfood, since that contains about what a human needs - as for the taste...meh it will be industrial **** for quite a while.

[ChronoReverse]

Well, not really, it just depends how you do it.

The trekkie idea of a replicator is "plausible" in that they use energy to manipulate matter back into a usable form.  In that sense it's "possible" (of course they're a myriad of reasons why it's really rather quite impossible).

In any case, it's true that pure recycling wouldn't really work for food and that you'll need a source of energy.  Water on the other hand is quite workable.

[Carl]

Originally posted by Flaser
You can't recycle waste in that matter too long. You body actually takes chemical energy out of the stuff, so even with recycling you'll have to revert to synthesis after a while.

not if it breaks down the waist into basic elements and rebuilds the proteins and acids. they can do it in a laboratory today. in 300 years, i'm sure computers will be able to do it on a much more complexed level.

[Swamp_Thing]

Originally posted by pecenipicek
sad but true... but you dont get poo in the ketchup.
you get it only in the actuall meat...

How do you know? Can you tell how they make the ketchup, and what´s in it?

[pecenipicek]

Originally posted by Swamp_Thing


How do you know? Can you tell how they make the ketchup, and what´s in it?

holy ****!
youre right!:D

[Annihilation]

I imagine that poo converted in food will be actually more healthy than anything Ronald MacDonald and his gang can do.

[Eishtmo]

Not to derail this intersting topic, but an Orion is 2.2 kilometers long, I think they probably have a hydroponics bay or two.  Hell, they might even have an acre of farm land somewhere for all we know.

[Nuke]

we already ruled that out eshtmo, the crews of freespace vessels are too large to feed with onbored gardens. it would be feasable if the crews were smaller though.

crew members either eat manufactured high energy foods. which take very little space and are oversaturated with nutrients to the point they taste like ****. or they live on supplemental pills.most of what we eat is eccess bulk, eleminate the bulk and the foods can be made small enough to store in large quantitiies.

[NGTM-1R]

With the level of technology they have, I suspect that rations bars would actually taste good.

[Flaser]

They may have dehydrated food, so before serving they add water to make it somewhat more edible.

[Nuke]

if you look at the food nasa uses dehydration saves of space, and sence water is always replentishable it makes sence. most military food comes in powder form anyway.

[Swamp_Thing]

That kind of food can maintain the human body for small periods of time, but to sustain you for longer periods you need fibres. Powder food doesn´t have any. You can artificially induce tablets with proteins, sugars, and vitamins, but you need fibres, hydrocarbons, and other stuff only found in meat and vegetables. There is no way around it.

There is also one key factor that everybody forgot to take into account: moral.
You try to feed 5000 men with tablets and dehidrated food for a year or so, and you have a mutiny on your hands! If any of you had ever spent time cucked up in a ship, surrounded by guys 24 hours a day, and with no land in sight for months on end, you would know just how much the meals are important to the crew of any vessel. Trust me, i´ve been there. That´s why they feed you so well aboard a battle ship. Food is important to keep moral up. Feed them ****, and you have 5000 grumpy men with zero will to fight. That´s just asking for trouble.
Of course, you could always feed them Prozac, mixed with all the other food tablets, to make them not care... But then again, you wouldn´t want 5000 zombies as a crew when the time came to face a fleet of Saths coming at you.
Wich is actually true in a sense, the US Army is feeding chopper pilots and tank crews with "speed" and other stymulants in Iraq, to keep them awake longer and more alert. They got so strung up on that crap that they can´t tell who´s a friend or who´s the enemy anymore, hence the huge number of friendly fire incidents.

[Nuke]

im sure the gtva has better ways to improve morale that good meals. android hookers for example.

[kasperl]

Dude, the only person more powerfull on any ship is the cook.

And seriously, pill food just isn't good, not for morale, not for health if you ask me.

[T-Man]

(sigh) The wonders of logistics.

In terms of resupply, the GTVA could have Particle accellerators. I know the one we have today in sweeden is the size of a small town but in the future miniturization could have an effect. If a Triton met up with a Destroyer say, every six months, and exchanged a cargo of foodstuffs for the ships rubbish and waste, then all that could go back to the local Arcadia, which either has a particle accellerator, or can have another Triton take it to a planet-based facility. Then they can be broken down and reformed into resources (food and other supplies) and then shipped back to the front line for conversion into waste.

As for the shivans...ever wondered what really happened to Bosch?

[bigo]

Noob poster here.  For the sake of argument, you could go on quite a wile using recycled goods, but it wouldn't last.  You would still loose something very important, heat.  Unless they've found a way to perfectly insulate their starships they can't recycle 100% of their stuff.  I think they work much like today's ships, since they can get from one side of a solar system to another just about instantaneously.

[aldo_14]

Not really.

They could tap ambient heat from stars (directly, or maybe via solar panels embedded in the hull somehow), and of course off of electronics & the crew.  

The space shuttle actually has to dissipate the heat from electronics and crew, for example (some is used to heat other mechanical equipment, the rest is radiated out to space).  

And, of course, they would doubtless have heaters powered off of the fusion reactor.