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Offline Shrike

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I'll need to check, but each convoy ship carried at least several hundred thousand or so.

No way in hell could you fit that many people inside those ships.  A thousand, maybe two each.
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1. Despite the fact that the last convoy jumps in only a little before the nova, only about half of the convoy actually gets to the node, they didn't appear to be much in a hurry...
2. Who said that most of the Capella people survived anyway? Half is a bit high, I agree partially
3. They had longer than a day. The evacuation began immediately after the first Sathanas popped up, it would have taken quite a while for that army of slow-moving Sathani to gang up at the staging area, disperse through the node, travel all the way to capella, and finally fly the long stretch to Capella's sun (they never mentioned the Juggernauts taking it in warp stages, in fact indicated slightly the contrary, so that must have taken days...) Capella's population had quite a long time to get the hell out of the way, and since the entire Terran-Vasudan fleet was presumably involved in helping out, I think the efforts of half a galaxy would transport most of the Cappellans out in time...

 

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12 convoys an hour? That seems to be overdoing it a little... Since the last pre-supernova was the desperate final evac. I personally wouldn't say more than five at the earlier stages. So for the high estimate let's 7.5 days with 9 3000-ppl convoys an hour. Note that this would a more optimistic estimate, so...

4,860,000 would be the number. Still *just* 4.8 million people - yikes if you think there were billions.

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No way in hell could you fit that many people inside those ships. A thousand, maybe two each.

In SM3-06 the entire convoy (two Argos, a medical frigate, and a Triton freighter) has an amount of "several hundred thousand" as mentioned in a failure debriefing.

I'd guess that the medical ship contains 100 thousand and each Argo contains 50 thousand.

That of course is guessing that "several hundred thousand" is 200,000. More then likely the number was higher.

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Which is blatantly unrealistic.  A Hippocrates can provide medical care to 'several thousand patients,' cramming 100,000 people inside a ship that size would be impossible, simply from a volume standpoint.  An Argo, at a mere 171 meters long, would likewise be patently incapable of carrying 50,000 people.

Any evacuation effort would be hampered by several things.  Firstly, the transport capacity of GTVA ships.  There is a finite number of people you can cram into a ship, beyond which you'll run into casualties simply due to transport.  Secondly, there's getting them into orbit in the first place.  Ships like the Hippocrates are obviously not designed to land on a planet, which brings us to point 3, that being moving the people to the ships in the first place.  How long do you think it would take to load even 1000 people into a transport, launch into space, rendezvous with another ship, transfer them over, then repeat on the other end?  Finally, judging from the condition of many of the transports, they wouldn't be able to make more than one or two trips, you can't do repairs in the middle of an evacuation efforts.
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Well Shrike, go yell at Mike Breault at Volition for making such a blatantly unrealistic line in an FS2 mission  

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I'll yell at him for the 500 tons of AM in a Tsunami as well.  
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Naturally sizes are going to be averaged... huge ships shrunk and tiny ships expanded... this is perfectly natural and used for the sake of convienience (Imagine trying to pass a ship that really could fit 50000 people, what with all the other stuff a ship rtequires, as well as life support, it would be as big as a large city and take a  boring 5-15 minutes (if you think this is acceptable time, time yourself during a game, time sense gets expanded to the point whee 30 secs seems like 5 mins.)just to pass in front of on even the fastest fighter... A game with the actual scale would not be packed with action or indeed fun at all, it would be boring and seem unrealistic.
Also, another thing to consider, just because a capship is so big in proportion to your fighter, often throws off your idea of scale... look at the game in the outside camera mode for once, see how tiny that little cockpit is compared to your fighter and then how big compared to a destroyer- they really would have quite a volume.

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The Colossus had a crew of 30,000 don't forget, and that wasn't an enormous part of the ship's volume.  However, the ships involved in the evacuation were not particularly large, really.
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Like I said- the game is not really to scale. Although generally they say that there are a few hundred people in an Argo- which looks right, particularly since refugees would be packed in like cattle.

 

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The Colossus is ridiculous, however. It is NOT 3 times the size of a Hecate!

 

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By volume however (note:these are bound box sizes)
Hecate: 4.073284664 Cubic KM (1532/1223/2174)
Collosus: 19.352792836 Cubic KM (1327/2204/6617)
So you see, the Collossus, even considering it's only ~1/2 the size of it's boundbox, is ~3 times the volume of the Hecate by my estimate.

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Like I said- the game is not really to scale.

Also, FreeSpace ships are to scale.

All vessels are within meters and are accurate to one another in this respect.

FRED2 also operates within a meter scale, FreeSpace 2 craft as well as FreeSpace ships are all built to work in the proper scale.

Perceived size often is smaller then actual ship size due to angles or in many cases poor mission design with 3rd parties.

(for example, the FS1 demo gave the impression that the Fenris was massive due to the initial angle)

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Offline DragonClaw

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  the Fenris is massive.. take a Serapis and fly right next to it and look at an outside view.... hehe


  Its kinda like Independence War 2, you think all the ships are so small(and you being small as well) but they are rather large!

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However, the cockpit view (the one everybody has to use, so it's what matters) is not. It's larger than the actual fighter. Which does tend to give a diminished sense of scale.

 

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  yea thats probably right.... it should be narrowed down a lot, not this huge thing  

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And besides, it doesn't matter that they talk about the meters, etc. If a fighter ship needs that much stufdf just to support a single person, than a ship holding 10000 people would need to be 9000 times as big at least. Which the capships aren't.

 

Offline Grey Wolf

Orion: 1073144856 m3
Erinyes: 3640 m3
1073144856/3640=294820.0154
As you see, the Orion's volume is 30000x larger. Also, you must remember, most of the space is taken up in a fighter by engines and munitions, which would not take up as much room in a destroyer.

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Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009:
Orion: 1073144856 m3
Erinyes: 3640 m3
1073144856/3640=294820.0154
As you see, the Orion's volume is 30000x larger. Also, you must remember, most of the space is taken up in a fighter by engines and munitions, which would not take up as much room in a destroyer.

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lol, I doubt the erynies is 3km3 lol
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Stop being right, dammit! How about an Argo?