[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Liberator
As I've also said repeatedly, I hate the sin not the person.  

I think Ellen Degeneres is quite funny.  It's fine because she's not running around rocking the boat.  She just lives.  I just don't like these militants that run around screaming that they just want to be accepted and proceed to litigate the acceptance which cause them to be hated.  I'd let live if they would.

I don't see how another person wanting equality has any impact upon you. I'm not sure what 'litigate the acceptance which cause them to be hated' means anway - is it wrong to demand equal rights to be set in stone and guarenteed?

It's strange... maybe it's different in America, but I don't step out into the street and see lots of people running about with banners saying  I'm gay, 'accept me'.  I'd imagine, shockingly enough, that the majority just want to live their lives the same as everyone else does; they just don't want to be saddled with the biogotry of self appointed 'moral guardians'.

[Unknown Target]

Actually, ngtm1r, there is a right and wrong to this issue. Not from a religious view, but from a moral and legal view.

The United States is supposed to accept all people of all social types, classes, and beliefs. If gays were different, say, let's for the sake of argument, say being gay is a religion. The US government would/should not have any problem with them, because we are obligated to encourage and support all forms of life and belief. Therefore, gays should not have to deal with all this. It's the same thing as the black rights movement, except it's your sexual orientation that's on the line, not your skin color.


What  your morals are has nothing to do with this matter. A man just came on TV and said "You live in a land founded by Christians"---guess what? It wasn't founded JUST for Christians. It was founded for every man, woman, and child in this world. And gays are human, just like the rest of us.
They deserve to be treated as such.

[NGTM-1R]

Well, there's equality by bringing everyone below us up to the same level as we are, and there's equality by bringing us down to their level. Which, do you suppose, would you prefer?

That's really the core of the argument here. The two sides have different definitions of up and down.

[Mad Bomber]

Lib, I understand how reluctant you are to have a bunch of federal judges in Washington able to rewrite the laws and legislate their views on the nation.

Frankly, I feel the exact same way about evangelicals wanting to legislate their views on the nation.


Also, Lib, you missed a question from UT earlier (but as you said, you're distractable).

Liberator, if you give me one, count 'em, one honest-to-God reason as to why gays should not be allowed to marry, that does not have to do with religion, I will retract all my arguments, and I will join your side.

[Unknown Target]

Thanks for pointing that out, Mad.

ngtm1r, I'd prefer to bring everyone below us up to our level. That would be more beneficial to everyone, don't you think? Doesn't seem like anyone loses in that scenario. At least, not as much as we have been losing lately.

[Kazan]

ngtmr1 that "up" and "down" can be concretely defined too

[WeatherOp]

Here is why I don't won't gays to get married. Lets say you are walking thru the supermarket, a Gay guy slapes you on your back side and says you're hot. Now if you are like me, you would probly beat his butt in, Even if you just tell him to get lost, he can say your a racist or something like that, make a huge deal about it and sue your butt off or send you to jail. If we let it get legal, that will probly happen a lot..

[Kazan]

Originally posted by WeatherOp
If we let it get legal, that will probly happen a lot..

WORST EXCUSE EVAR

non sequitur

[WeatherOp]

No, the first reason is that I don't belive in it, but that would probly make one of you mad and start another arguement.

[Ford Prefect]

Here is why I don't won't gays to get married. Lets say you are walking thru the supermarket, a Gay guy slapes you on your back side and says you're hot. Now if you are like me, you would probly beat his butt in, Even if you just tell him to get lost, he can say your a racist or something like that, make a huge deal about it and sue your butt off or send you to jail. If we let it get legal, that will probly happen a lot..

That's your fault for being a yahoo and not knowing how to conduct yourself in civilization. Besides, you should know when you're being complimented.

In addition, the fact that you think that's how gay people behave illustrates your total oblivion.

[Kazan]

Originally posted by WeatherOp
No, the first reason is that I don't belive in it, but that would probly make one of you mad and start another arguement.

rightfully so - because your views are completely and totally bigoted and it's disgusting that human beings behave like you

Originally posted by Ford Prefect

In addition, the fact that you think that's how gay people behave illustrates your total oblivion.

BINGO

[Liberator]

I would retaliate for the blow, not the compliment.  I was tormented by girls in HS who pinched my butt.

[Kazan]

Originally posted by Liberator
I would retaliate for the blow, not the compliment.  I was tormented by girls in HS who pinched my butt.

stupid


they probably did it because you were "such a goddamn prude" -- ie they probably did it to piss you off (quoting my fiance)


if it bothered you that much you could have *****ed to a teacher/the principle for being sexually harassed


your expirience with being ueber pruder and bringing it on yourself doesn't make his non sequitur into a sequitur

[Flipside]

Oh, I dunno, even if they were doing it in jest, it'd still be nice to have my butt felt by a female from time to time.

Problem is, and this is the crux of the matter, that's why it didn't It's just one of those facts you have to accept.

Edit : It retrospect - You lucky Sod! How can you turn that into a negative aspect of your youth?

[Jetmech Jr.]

Meh, a girl I've never even seen before slapped my a** in the middle of a public hallway. I'll never understand it.

Still, she was pretty damn cute...

Oh, and WeatherOp? You should be embarrassed for such a show of ignorance.

[Taristin]

This thread makes me upset.

It's disturbing to see how many people think America is the land of the free... just not for you, you, you you, or you...

[Krackers87]

Wow...

[Krackers87]

Originally posted by WeatherOp
Here is why I don't won't gays to get married. Lets say you are walking thru the supermarket, a Gay guy slapes you on your back side and says you're hot. Now if you are like me, you would probly beat his butt in, Even if you just tell him to get lost, he can say your a racist or something like that, make a huge deal about it and sue your butt off or send you to jail. If we let it get legal, that will probly happen a lot..

What the flying **** does that have to do with them getting married? To pretend that wasnt such a flamingly dumb coment,  and that it was actually worth my time to discuss wouldnt single, wont unmaried gay people hit on guys more than married ones? And to get another point of view, whatabout  straight dudes slapping lesbians asses? Eh? Same concept.

[Bobboau]

yeah that guy is gonna do that wether or not gays have the legal ability to get married, how did you even make that sort of connection?
just just give him a stern/are-you-insaine/stupid look and if he doesn't back off beat the **** out of him, you could probly sue him for sexual harasment after that too.

[Taristin]

How often do you get your ass slapped by men?  

Every gay man I've known has always proven themselves to be more self controlled and mature than  90% of the straight men I've known. Even the effeminant men have more self control, and decency than that.


I think what the real issue is that you're afraid. Or jealous, and repressing it. One or the other.

Seriously, stop flattering yourself.