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Offline Kie99

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What could beat the Lucifer's Shield?
apart from beams and not including subspace missiles or specialised weapons.
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What could beat the Lucifer's Shield?
a sathanas with a shield :D
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What could beat the Lucifer's Shield?
I always wondered if capital ship kamikazes would work.
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What could beat the Lucifer's Shield?
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Nothing!!!

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What could beat the Lucifer's Shield?
fancy that. i got another litter on the way :D
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What could beat the Lucifer's Shield?
1) Insert the last supply of headz and fish on board.
2) Inform the Vasudan command.
3) Observe the carnage.
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Offline Kie99

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I always wondered if capital ship kamikazes would work.


Don't think so, the Lucifer is
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What could beat the Lucifer's Shield?
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Don't think so, the Lucifer is
 

All kinetic attacks that were launched against it.  That means Tsunamo bombs at the biggest (at the time anyways).

Ramming a 2KM long destroyer into it...provided it could get into range....would do the trick.  I doubt any fancy falutent shield could withstand that sort of punishment.
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Offline Kie99

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What could beat the Lucifer's Shield?
The Lucifer has 800000 hitpoints without its shield so a destroyer crashing into it at 15 M/S (which only did 20-30% damage to the unshielded Colossus with 1000000 hitpoints) wouldn't even dent its paintwork.
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What could beat the Lucifer's Shield?
The what the Special Explosion flag is for.. :D

  

Offline Nuke

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What could beat the Lucifer's Shield?
everyone knows that the best way to kill a lucifer is with a self destruxt sexp
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What could beat the Lucifer's Shield?
Tell the Lucifer crew about the mystical "FS3", send them here with orders to tell us about it. We should finish that ship in a few seconds.

 

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Originally posted by Fergus
1) Insert the last supply of headz and fish on board.
2) Inform the Vasudan command.
3) Observe the carnage.

:nod:

 

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Re: What could beat the Lucifer's Shield?
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Originally posted by kietotheworld
What could beat the Lucifer's Shield... apart from beams and not including subspace missiles or specialised weapons?

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Offline pyro-manic

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What could beat the Lucifer's Shield?
Theoretically a concentrated volley of beam fire could get through the shield (IIRC they were developed to counter Shivan capital ships - I'd assume that includes Lucifer-class vessels), but that would require risking several destroyers and/or corvettes, without being sure of success. You'd probably take losses before you inflicted any serious damage, and you might well lose the entire attacking force if the beams failed to penetrate/ did only superficial or minor damage...


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Spoiler:
The Nyarlathotep - the Lucifer in Derelict - was eventually destroyed by ramming it with a Deimos corvette spiked with Meson warheads. But the Nyarlathotep's shield was non-functional, so we can't say whether it would have worked had the shield been up...
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Offline Kie99

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Originally posted by pyro-manic
Theoretically a concentrated volley of beam fire could get through the shield (IIRC they were developed to counter Shivan capital ships - I'd assume that includes Lucifer-class vessels), but that would require risking several destroyers and/or corvettes, without being sure of success. You'd probably take losses before you inflicted any serious damage, and you might well lose the entire attacking force if the beams failed to penetrate/ did only superficial or minor damage...


DERELICT SPOILER:
Spoiler:
The Nyarlathotep - the Lucifer in Derelict - was eventually destroyed by ramming it with a Deimos corvette spiked with Meson warheads. But the Nyarlathotep's shield was non-functional, so we can't say whether it would have worked had the shield been up...
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I always assumed that beams were developed to kill any Lucifer in subspace.
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Originally posted by kietotheworld


I always assumed that beams were developed to kill any Lucifer in subspace.

The GTVA wouldn't need beams to do that, though; we saw how easily a few wings of fighters/bombers were able to do it.  I think the general consensus is that the GTVA's beam cannons were made to be able to pierce the Lucifer's shields.

 

Offline pyro-manic

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What could beat the Lucifer's Shield?
kietotheworld: No - destroying a capship in subspace would be suicide - the node would collapse, and you'd be destroyed along with it. Ship-to-ship combat is a big no-no in subspace. Besides, it'd be almost impossible to get into a position to launch an attack, and even less likely that the attack would be under favourable conditions - just getting into a position where you could follow the Lucifer into subspace would be very difficult.

The idea of beam weapons was copied from the Lucifer's superlasers by the GTI AFAIK - it's likely that the GTD Hades would have carried some form of beam cannon had it been completed, making it vastly more powerful. The shocking performance of Alliance capital ships against their Shivan counterparts was one of the biggest problems that needed to be urgently addressed after the Great War - the lack of useful ship-to-ship weaponry was the main problem, with Terran and Vasudan turrets being far inferior to the Shivan turrets. And the power of the Lucifer would have been terrifying - a ship that destroyed the GTD Galatea (one of the most famous and valued ships in the entire GTA) in a matter of minutes, with only a few volleys from it's main weapons. FS1-era Alliance ships didn't have anything like that kind of firepower - it'd be like having a 16th-century galleon going up against a 1930's battleship.

Beam weapons were developed to counter the Shivans, but I suspect that the GTVA was dreading the possibility of another Lucifer - hence the Colossus, which was the "secret weapon" to be used if another Lucifer fleet appeared...
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What could beat the Lucifer's Shield?
Snuffleupagus! You didn't mention Snuffleupagus! :p
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Axem -  I don't know what I'll do with my life now. Maybe I'll become a Nun, or take up Macrame. But where ever I go... I will remember you!
Axem - Sorry to post again when I said I was leaving for good, but something was nagging me. I don't want to say it in a way that shames the campaign but I think we can all agree it is actually.. incomplete. It is missing... Voice Acting.
Quanto - I for one would love to lend my beautiful singing voice into this wholesome project.
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