[Carl]

Originally posted by WeatherOp
a flowing of fluid from the body; especially : an excessive abnormal discharge from the bowels

and this is further evidence toward my hypothesis on shivan mating in post 13 in this thread: http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,28115.0.html

[FireCrack]

Originally posted by Cobra
just a different use of energy.

although if LRed's replaced the SSL in FS2, why didn't make beams for the FS1 Lucy in the first place?

*prepares to get flamed*

Becasue is a bunch of lazy bastards that we still all love anyways.

[StratComm]

Cobra: FS1 had no beams.  Their rendering method was added to the code post-FS1, along with hardware acceleration.  Lots of stuff changed between the games, so that technology wasn't available to the art and mission designers.  End of story.  I believe that the Port staff did actually replace the Shivan Super Laser with a true beam, by the way.

Carl: eww  I have nothing more to add.

[WeatherOp]

Awww, come on Carl, I was hoping that thread would stay dead forever.

[Cobra]

Originally posted by StratComm
I believe that the Port staff did actually replace the Shivan Super Laser with a true beam, by the way.

Yup.

Carl: dude, that's disgusting.

[Knight Templar]

Originally posted by kietotheworld
apart from beams and not including subspace missiles or specialised weapons.

Scissors.

[Black Wolf]

Originally posted by Knight Templar


Scissors.

Running with Scissors.

[WMCoolmon]

Yeah, scissors would just slip off the Lucifer's shields like hot butter on a steaming kettle.

[dan87uk]

Shaving Foam

[Kie99]

A subspace torpedo which enters subspace outside a ship and exits within the ship.  Meson Bomb attached to a Triton would be good.

[aldo_14]

A useful chocolate teapot; the simple concept would shatter the Shivans feeble brains.

[dan87uk]

Agrees with Aldo kietolongnamedude idea would be too advanced

[Woolie Wool]

Originally posted by kietotheworld
apart from beams and not including subspace missiles or specialised weapons.

The GTP (Poster) Janeway Porn
Mr. T
Ripped Shirt Kirk
~+Shift+I followed by ~+K eight times

[Woolie Wool]

Originally posted by aldo_14


The Lucifer had never previously been destroyed as far as we know.    It also had a goodly amount of fighters onboard for defensive purposes to prevent small scale attacks.  And, of course, it's possible the zero speed was simply for gameplay purposes so the player would never get left behind (i.e. if they had to turn to take out an enemy on their tail).



I'm sure if V thought it was worthwhile to render a new animation for every possible combination of wingmen killed, they would have done so.



Nope, they don't.  The last few ships fly out over the top (Ursa IIRC) .  At this point the reactors on the surface are exploding (this is basically your propagating explosion).  The point I am specifically referring to is when the Lucifer explodes - not the surface explosions - but the point where ithe blue shockwave appears and the node closes (cutting the Lucifer neatly-or not so neatly- in half).  After this point we see no new ships arriving (and the same susbpace portal as the previously arriving fighters came out of, is now closed and destroyed).

EDIT;



Do you really think they could have evacuated Earth (and that's ignoring the many colonies and military assets in Sol outside Earth itself) in the time after which it became obvious the Shivans had found it? (<3 months to evacuate billions, in the middle of war affecting every system).  And even if they did so, why?  To create a moving target?  To sacrifice the military and economic hub of the war effort (not the industrial heart of munitions and ship manufacturing)?

Where would they get the destroyers and soforth from?  Divert them from the war?  An Orion has a 10,000 strong crew.  Even if they removed all the crew (which I presume is your 1,000,000 estimate - less than 1% of the current day Earth population), they would need thousands of ships to evacuate earth - each one a perfect target for Shivan attack.

It was simply a last stand - lose Earth, lose the war.

But what if the GTA and PVN had already given the Shivans everything they had and were almost completely annihilated by the time the Lucifer's wreckage reached Sol?

Originally posted by Carl


and this is further evidence toward my hypothesis on shivan mating in post 13 in this thread: http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,28115.0.html

Now that we know Shivan sex life, what do those Vasudans do with the fish and headz?

[NGTM-1R]

Originally posted by pyro-manic

I suspect that lots of them did, yes. We only see a few ships escaping as the Lucifer breaks warp, a fraction of the number involved in the attack.

Incorrect. Count them at the end. More then half of them survived.

4 Ursas. 4 Thoths. 4 Hercs. 4 Ulysses. In fact, that might be everbody...can't remember if there were more then four wings, but I think not.

Edit: That IS everybody. The entire Bastion attack force survived.

[Cobra]

O.o

[Kie99]

Originally posted by ngtm1r


Incorrect. Count them at the end. More then half of them survived.

4 Ursas. 4 Thoths. 4 Hercs. 4 Ulysses. In fact, that might be everbody...can't remember if there were more then four wings, but I think not.

Edit: That IS everybody. The entire Bastion attack force survived.

So they'd have one hell of a party when they arrived on Earth, then they'd hear the bad news.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Woolie Wool


But what if the GTA and PVN had already given the Shivans everything they had and were almost completely annihilated by the time the Lucifer's wreckage reached Sol?

Even if there were GTA / PVN spaceships, they'd still have had something.  I'd expect static defenses, for example.  This is the super-industrialized hub of the GTA... if you remember, my point was that the end cutscene shows the system as being effectively deserted; no ships, no installations, no static defenses, no shipyards, etc.  I find that a bit...disappointing.

[Cobra]

yeah, but it must be pretty cool 50 years later the jump node is re-opened.

[FireCrack]

During the T-V war the front was always far from sol and n earer to vasuda. Mabye there were once static defences but they were scavanged to build more warships to assault the then distyant enemy, the vasudans.