[aldo_14]

Originally posted by FireCrack
During the T-V war the front was always far from sol and n earer to vasuda. Mabye there were once static defences but they were scavanged to build more warships to assault the then distyant enemy, the vasudans.

Alright, then where's the industrialisation?

Albiet if an attack in ross 128 could be interpreted as of a Vasudan cutscene as in the intro, surely that implies the war was close enough for Sol to require protection?

[karajorma]

Originally posted by aldo_14
Alright, then where's the industrialisation?

Space is big. Why would there have to be anything near where the node is? Anything arriving at the node can jump out to it's final destination a few minutes later.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by karajorma


Space is big. Why would there have to be anything near where the node is? Anything arriving at the node can jump out to it's final destination a few minutes later.

I didn't mean around the node, I mean in the general space around Earth and the Moon.  I'd have expected some sign of life if it was super industrialized like the ref bible says.

[karajorma]

Ah. You probably wouldn't able to see anything more than maybe some lights on the moon at that distance though. If you look at Endgame the moon is fully lit so you wouldn't be able to see even that.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by karajorma
Ah. You probably wouldn't able to see anything more than maybe some lights on the moon at that distance though. If you look at Endgame the moon is fully lit so you wouldn't be able to see even that.

I think you should be able to see something; especially at a jumpnode from a heavy population, heavy traffic system.

'sides which, it'd look better I think.  End of FS1 your ship is completely alone..... that feels a bit wrong to me.

[Goober5000]

Two reasons...

1) Whoever rendered the cutscene didn't think of it

2) As big as ships in Freespace are, they wouldn't be visible at that scale.  Even if there was an armada in orbit around Earth, the ships would be too small to be discernible from that distance.

[karajorma]

I do agree about that. I would have expected the GTVA to have destoyers positioned at the Sol end ready to attack the Lucifer just in case it took a few seconds to get the shield up and running though. When it was emerging would be the best chance the GTA forces would have had to take it out.  

I wouldn't have expected heavy traffic though. Everyone else would have run away from the node long ago.

[Fergus]

I dunno, I would have expected of traffic out of the Sol system, refugees would be flowing out of the system, meh maybe not.

[WMCoolmon]

Originally posted by Fergus
I dunno, I would have expected of traffic out of the Sol system, refugees would be flowing out of the system, meh maybe not.

Aye..............

[aldo_14]

To be fair, at that point there were 3 nodes in Sol (as far as the cutscene animators knew), and you'd expect refugees to use the other 2.

[Kie99]

I've just realised why they wouldn't have any ships in front of the node, they would be getting ready to follow the Lucifer out of the system and launch an almighty attack on it.

When I was playing FS1 I could never see the logic in sending the Bastion after the Lucifer, after all it has 16 turrets and the Lucifer has about 30 and 2 "beams".  I has so much trouble with the Clash of the Titansand I kept thinking who cares if the Bastion gets destroyed, don't just give up on Earth, let us follow it and destroy.  When I eventually got through COTT and THe Great Hunt and I realised the Bastion wasn't coming with us anyway I wanted to chuck my computer out the window.

[NGTM-1R]

Actually, I would expect some kind of minefield in front of the node, lots of Harbinger bombs probably. The Lucifer probably can't raise its shield when it's half-in and half-out of subspace, so that would be the last chance to hit it.

I think the Bastion was supposed to provide cover fire for the bomber group more then anything else. The GTA had staked pretty much everything on the deployment of the Ursa/Harbinger combination to defeat the Lucifer. The Bastion was probably just there to backstop the Lucifer's fire.

[Carl]

Originally posted by ngtm1r
Actually, I would expect some kind of minefield in front of the node, lots of Harbinger bombs probably. The Lucifer probably can't raise its shield when it's half-in and half-out of subspace, so that would be the last chance to hit it.

you would think so, but try and attack the lucifer during another mission that she is in while she's warping in and out. still invulnerable.

I guess if they wanted to the FS Port people could set it so that when the Lucifer jumps in, she would be vulnerable until she was all the way out of the node, then trigger invulnerability via sexp.

[FireCrack]

^yeah, also when you look at it entering exiting subspace you can see the sheild forming on the hull quite quick (in cutscenes)

[Cobra]

Originally posted by kietotheworld
I've just realised why they wouldn't have any ships in front of the node, they would be getting ready to follow the Lucifer out of the system and launch an almighty attack on it.

When I was playing FS1 I could never see the logic in sending the Bastion after the Lucifer, after all it has 16 turrets and the Lucifer has about 30 and 2 "beams".  I has so much trouble with the Clash of the Titansand I kept thinking who cares if the Bastion gets destroyed, don't just give up on Earth, let us follow it and destroy.  When I eventually got through COTT and THe Great Hunt and I realised the Bastion wasn't coming with us anyway I wanted to chuck my computer out the window.

do NOT mention that mission when i'm around.

I've often wondered why they would send the Bastion even though it was so far behind. in the Great Hunt, you should have seen me in my Ursa scampering to the node no one could even touch me!

Firecrack: Really? I thought that was the flux/beam cannons

ngtm1r: even so, the node would collapse anyway, since the Lucifer would blow up in subspace anyway. kinda like the GTD Bastion cutscene in FS2.

[Kie99]

What difficulty do you play on?, you shouldn't be able to get to the node in an Ursa without cover unless you play on very easy.

[TrashMan]

Waht could beat Lucifer shields?

Lawyers....
Mr. T...
Alpha 1...
Remodulation of the deflector array...
The HLP hammer of Justice...
Natzi Space Midgets...
teh Force TM....

[Cobra]

Originally posted by kietotheworld
What difficulty do you play on?, you shouldn't be able to get to the node in an Ursa without cover unless you play on very easy.

Insane

I'm that good

[Kie99]

You don't seem that good on multi.

[Cobra]

That's because I'm not that good with human intelligence. I can handle General-class AI.

Not again...