[Turnsky]

arguement.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/EDUCATION/05/02/life.evolution.reut/index.html

[Scorpius]

Its really only in america where a significant amount of people outwardly refute evolution, however that article is about something else entirely.  It is true that alternate origin theories should be presented in school just for the context but no other theory holds a candle to the massive body of evidence that supports evolution.  And if you teach creation stories, you would have to teach all the major alternatives like the hindu creation story and I bet Buddhists have one too.

The key problem is that evolution is taught like it has an intent that is has a purpose and an ultimate goal when the truth of the theory is that it has no such aspects.

[aldo_14]

Creationist theories are already taught in school..... in Religious Education.

It's just stupid to hold them (creationist) out as scientific theories; they've been formulated, proposed and presented as part of religious texts, hence they're not the results/conclusion of a scientific factual investigation, thus they aren't even considerable as science.  

Any 'scientific' presentation of creationism, as well, is designed to both select the 'facts' (often twisted) which best support their arguement, and to try and discredit the alternate theory (evolution - and also natural formation of the earth, and soforth) rather than attempt to definitively prove creation.

[Col. Fishguts]

I'm a follower of the Jatravartid religion.
I believe that the entire Universe was in fact sneezed out of the nose of the Great Green Arkleseizure, and I live in perpetual fear of The Coming of The Great White Handkerchief.

[WeatherOp]

And that same ole arguement will go on till God destroys the Earth or some Aliens or a comet does. or Robots or something Evolves greater than us and takes over the world.

[Clave]

I think there are other possibilites.  Nothing would make me laugh at myself more than seeing Jesus come back, I'd be slapping myself on the forehead and muttering "Athiest? boy! how wrong can you be?"

But anything can happen, and probably will, and no matter what occurs, everyone will decide that it is proof of what they believe to be true...

1.  Meteor strike kills millions - does that prove or disprove the existance of God?

2.  Aliens land on Earth - same question.

3.  10 million year old fossil of early man found - same question.

4.  The Earth stops spinning - same question.

But I'm sure there are hundreds of instances...

[WeatherOp]

You forgot HLP crashing again.

[Clave]

That's more than a 'one off'

[Ford Prefect]

Call me naive, but I really think that this debate is in its death throes. These legal battles we're seeing are, in my view, the last desperate attempts to hold back the inevitable. People will get angry, soap boxes will be stood upon, but, to quote Inherit the Wind, "...progress has never been a bargain."

[aldo_14]

Not if the nuttiest fudamentalists own the soapbox.......

[Ford Prefect]

Anyone can have a soap box. I could go out and start raving about how goat cheese is under-appreciated, but it doesn't mean I'm going to accomplish anything.

[Grey Wolf]

Originally posted by Col. Fishguts
I'm a follower of the Jatravartid religion.
I believe that the entire Universe was in fact sneezed out of the nose of the Great Green Arkleseizure, and I live in perpetual fear of The Coming of The Great White Handkerchief.

I honestly can't remember if that's Hitchhiker's Guide or Discworld.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Ford Prefect
Anyone can have a soap box. I could go out and start raving about how goat cheese is under-appreciated, but it doesn't mean I'm going to accomplish anything.

Ah, but it's not having a soap-box that's the problem.

Originally posted by Grey Wolf
I honestly can't remember if that's Hitchhiker's Guide or Discworld.

HHGTTG (Discworld is the back of a giant turle IIRC)

[Grey Wolf]

You're right, aldo. Thanks.

[aldo_14]

I'm always right.  It's just that reality is inaccurate.

[achtung]

I know an explanation that might sooth more angry souls.  (insert deity here) caused us to evolve the way we did, simple as that.  Of course some ultra religous people might have a problem with that but they just be the craziest peoples.

[Ford Prefect]

Ah, but it's not having a soap-box that's the problem.

Ehhh, it's not like you need to go out and buy a literal box that says "soap" on it. Anyone can go out in public and make a scene with their cause; it's not hard.

[Omniscaper]

BOTH evolutionists and creationists cannot "scientifically"  prove or disprove each other. Remember that both macro evolution and intelligent design are NOT in the scientific FACT category and both require a certain level of FAITH.

[Ford Prefect]

We have seen natural selection happen. If evolution is "faith"-based, then so is all scientific theory.

[Grey Wolf]

You know there's no such thing as scientific fact, right? All there is is theories with a large amount of backing. Manage to find a whole in them, they have to be modified and adapted to fit the new information provided. They are more fluid, as opposed to static like the ideas espoused by most Creationists, or at least the ones who get all the press.